Admin Rodney Posted July 20, 2009 Admin Posted July 20, 2009 You are a madman for the details Stian. I noticed the windows up on the top left of the attached image are all different. Wow. I've been thinking a lot about animation backgrounds of late and so I grabbed your screenshot to do a test. Apologies for that but it did satisfy my curiosity while allowing me to further enjoy your extreme detailing. Just like with the real building I'm sure... words fail. Perhaps the best way to complement your incredible work is to use it to illustrate its own detail. Edit: With regard to the pan background test. You have to imagine a character or two being over the top of the background. The characters appearing to walk stage right out of the darkness toward the light (head an shoulder shot) while the background is moved stage left. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted July 26, 2009 Admin Posted July 26, 2009 Nice. With each new addition the cathedral achieves a new sense of scale. Quote
Eric2575 Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Beautiful work Stian! How many models comprise the Cathedral? Quote
*A:M User* Shelton Posted July 26, 2009 *A:M User* Posted July 26, 2009 Stian Incredible!! You mention you combine in the chor. so each section is a seperate model? how do you line it up in the chor? Is there a large slow down in the chor? I was wondering about the tiles on the roof, do the tiles run up and down like that on the real cathedral? Steve Quote
agep Posted July 27, 2009 Author Posted July 27, 2009 Beautiful work Stian! How many models comprise the Cathedral?It is 25 separate models at the moment You mention you combine in the chor. so each section is a seperate model? how do you line it up in the chor? Is there a large slow down in the chor?I combine them in an action (action objects), so when in the chor I simply drag and drop the action onto the basemodel. The framerate in the chor (and the action) is very slow, about 3-4 second per frame in shaded and 1-2 in wire I was wondering about the tiles on the roof, do the tiles run up and down like that on the real cathedral?Up and down? The tiles are rectangular running vertically Quote
John Bigboote Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Hey Stian- loving the cathedral! I am working on a model that has gotten to about 10,000 patches and now the model reacts very,very slowly whenever I make a new CP or copy paste. I was wondering if you have any advice for keeping a model's 'tactile-responsiveness' once the patch count grows...or is it just best to start another model once things slow, and combine them in action-objects... ? At what count does your models start to slow? YOU THE MAN! Quote
agep Posted July 27, 2009 Author Posted July 27, 2009 or is it just best to start another model once things slow, and combine them in action-objects... ?Yup, but I sometimes merges two or more models when they are finished, so they are total ends at 30-60K At what count does your models start to slow?between 10-15K Quote
*A:M User* Shelton Posted July 27, 2009 *A:M User* Posted July 27, 2009 I guess I am not familiar with action objects as I have done very little animating. Steve Quote
Zaryin Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Man this looks fanatastic. I'm trying to picture it all textures now, it's going to look awesome. Quote
John Bigboote Posted July 27, 2009 Posted July 27, 2009 Yup, but I sometimes merges two or more models when they are finished, so they are 1. OK- That's what I am doing...model over in a fresh model and copy paste into the main. GOOD TO KNOW. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted July 27, 2009 Admin Posted July 27, 2009 model over in a fresh model and copy paste into the main That doesn't sound right Matt. Copy/Paste can take considerable time and is more reliant upon available memory. Is that the way you are doing the merging Stian? I assumed you were Exporting from the Action to merge the Model and Action Object. Or... assembling them in a Chor and Exporting them into one Model from there. Quote
agep Posted July 28, 2009 Author Posted July 28, 2009 Is that the way you are doing the merging Stian? I assumed you were Exporting from the Action to merge the Model and Action Object. Or... assembling them in a Chor and Exporting them into one Model from there. Yes it is. As far as I know (but I might be wrong), its the 'finding patches' that is time consuming, and that needs to be done, regardless of method? Quote
agep Posted August 6, 2009 Author Posted August 6, 2009 Finally I've had some sparetime to work on the north-east side More renders in the first post Quote
*A:M User* Shelton Posted August 7, 2009 *A:M User* Posted August 7, 2009 I love the aerial shot. It really shows the work of your project. Remind me again of what type of redraw time on a project like this. What I mean can you move around in the chor effectively once you have combined all the action objects? Once again incredible work Steve Quote
agep Posted August 7, 2009 Author Posted August 7, 2009 Thanks Steve can you move around in the chor effectively once you have combined all the action objects?Nope. At best it takes a couple of seconds to redraw the view in wireframe mode, that makes it hard because you easily overshoot when using the mouse to orient. However, an easy fix is to replace the model with a proxy, just haven't done that yet Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted August 7, 2009 Hash Fellow Posted August 7, 2009 Lookin' sharp! Thanks Steve can you move around in the chor effectively once you have combined all the action objects?Nope. At best it takes a couple of seconds to redraw the view in wireframe mode, that makes it hard because you easily overshoot when using the mouse to orient. There is a feature on the Options>Global tab.... Interrupt Drawing>Limit Max Drawing Time for this situation. If you set it to "5 fps" A:M would draw as much as it could at that rate, but keep move on to the next frame anyway if it couldn't. This partial display would give you enough clue for most positioning and turning. However, this feature hasn't worked for several versions. It just makes the display go blank for me. I put in an AMReport on that a lonnnnngggg time ago but I don't think it ever got picked up. Back in the days of 25MHz PCs it was quite a handy thing. Quote
Fuchur Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 You should have a look at the individual draw-possibilities in hybrid-realtime-mode. (press 7 on your keyboard, not key-pad / num-block) In the PWS > Choreography you will find a button next to the objects in the scene, with which you can go to a Peak-Display-Mode, Box-Display-Mode or Invisible-Display-Mode. These modes are ONLY for realtime-rendering. Finalrendering wont be changed. I think if you would use the Box-Displaymode for all the parts you don't need, A:M should handle it just fine again. (cant test it so) And you can still see the dimensions of your objects. -> I only assume that, but when I worked on a high-patch-count-model I did it and it worked much more fluid. Make sure you are really in hybrid-realtime-mode / defaul-mode not in wireframe. Wireframe and the others will globally overwrite the settings you are setting in the pws-chor next to the models. *Fuchur* Quote
agep Posted August 7, 2009 Author Posted August 7, 2009 Thank you for the tips! However, this feature hasn't worked for several versions. It just makes the display go blank for me.For me too. To bad, sounds like a neat feature You should have a look at the individual draw-possibilities in hybrid-realtime-mode. (press 7 on your keyboard, not key-pad / num-block)How come I never thought of that? I've used it before. Thanks for reminding me. Setting the model to "vector" gave me five times better framerate than wireframe at lowest subdivision, so that is an great improvement Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted August 7, 2009 Hash Fellow Posted August 7, 2009 I've discovered that Interrupt Drawing works a bit in Direct3D but not like it used to. It doesn't maintain the selected frame rate. Quote
nimblepix Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Wow, this is so inspiring and educational. Thanks for posting this. Quote
agep Posted September 22, 2009 Author Posted September 22, 2009 Hi guys. I have not given up on this project, just havent had much time to work on it (a few weeks vacation, then a lot of catching up to do at work ). Anyway. Here is a new update. I have been working on the chapter house the last couple of days Quote
Fuchur Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 That has to be one of the most or the most complex model ever created in A:M. VERY impressive! *Fuchur* Quote
Gerry Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Looking more and more brilliant all the time! I'm curious about the scale. Is it scaled-down, or "life sized"? Quote
agep Posted September 22, 2009 Author Posted September 22, 2009 Thanks! Is it scaled-down, or "life sized"?I try to use real scale Quote
johnl3d Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 obviuosly not using a netbook computer to work on this ...great looking building Quote
jimd Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Hi guys. I have not given up on this project, just havent had much time to work on it (a few weeks vacation, then a lot of catching up to do at work ). Anyway. Here is a new update. I have been working on the chapter house the last couple of days Damn does that make me smile ! Quote
agep Posted September 30, 2009 Author Posted September 30, 2009 Thanks! Here is yet another update. Have started on the Octagon. Have also made the towers and wall facing the Octagon Quote
largento Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 I'm gonna' have to invent a new word that means more than "wow!"... Quote
NancyGormezano Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Wowzalicious! Soooo...how many toothpicks...er...patches are you up to ? Quote
agep Posted September 30, 2009 Author Posted September 30, 2009 Soooo...how many toothpicks...er...patches are you up to? 576,416 patches Quote
Paul Forwood Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 The detail is staggering! I love the way that AO handles the shadowy areas between the buildings. Are you even thinking about texturing this, Stian? Quote
Darkwing Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Soooo...how many toothpicks...er...patches are you up to? 576,416 patches i don't think i've ever made a model with anywhere near that many patches! maybe that explains the warpiness in my models, not a high enough patch count Quote
agep Posted October 10, 2009 Author Posted October 10, 2009 More done to the Octagon. The main structure is almost done. Just minor additions to the Octagon, and there is a wall missing on the south side (I don't have reference images of that wall because the wall is covered up due to maintenance) Quote
NancyGormezano Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 very Fabulous OF COURSE! I'm curious if you will be adding the statues? Any plans for textures/materials? I'm also curious as to how long this takes to render? And what are your settings? (I'm assuming you are using 100% AO, AI) Will you be using this as a target for your trebuchet ? I had to ask. Amazing. Quote
agep Posted October 10, 2009 Author Posted October 10, 2009 Thank you Nancy! very Fabulous OF COURSE! I'm curious if you will be adding the statues? Any plans for textures/materials? I'm also curious as to how long this takes to render? And what are your settings? (I'm assuming you are using 100% AO, AI) Will you be using this as a target for your trebuchet ? I had to ask. Amazing. I will most likely add the statues on the west front. I hope to make a generic model that I will equip with various props and make various poses according to the real statues. It takes between 2 and 3 hours rendering each image at 100% AO as you mentioned. I don't dare aiming the trebuchet toward this model Quote
agep Posted January 3, 2010 Author Posted January 3, 2010 Sorry for not updating lately, my spare time has been limited. Anyway, Happy New Year to all of my friends! I have done most of the tetxuring of the superstructure, but just started on the roof. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted January 3, 2010 Hash Fellow Posted January 3, 2010 Sorry for not updating lately, my spare time has been limited. Anyway, Happy New Year to all of my friends! I have done most of the tetxuring of the superstructure, but just started on the roof. Very impressive work! Quote
steve392 Posted January 3, 2010 Posted January 3, 2010 Looking real nice ,the part of the roof you have done is very realistic Quote
Fuchur Posted January 3, 2010 Posted January 3, 2010 Very nice! This is very realistic and very nice to look at... See you *Fuchur* Quote
largento Posted January 3, 2010 Posted January 3, 2010 This is going to be an incredible accomplishment, Stian! Bravo! Quote
Tralfaz Posted January 3, 2010 Posted January 3, 2010 This is really gorgeous work Stian. There is just so much to take in. Al Quote
TheSpleen Posted January 3, 2010 Posted January 3, 2010 the only word that comes to mind is wow! Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted January 3, 2010 Hash Fellow Posted January 3, 2010 That could be a mascot. Just make a little Lutheran bishop to stand in the door. Quote
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