KenH Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I'm getting back to my own projects for a while and making another character. This guy is going to get the works. I'm going to concentrate on his head first (and maybe last) and I'll be using 3DPainter to do his texturing and bump maps. I'm adament to make this my best character yet. So, here's the first stages of the head. I haven't got great references and so this thread is to ask if anyone has good ones I can use. Or knows of a good website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 A bit more done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyvern Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Holy crap... Has anyone else noticed that... Yoda... looks just like one of those Gremlins? (the creatures from the Spielburg movie not the car). Less hair... but Yoda was very old... he may have been bald. All those movies... all they needed to do was throw water on him or feed him after midnight... and they could have had a Yoda army. -vern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaryin Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I like what you got so far. How much detail will be texture and how much spline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmonaut Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Nice start, you try and use displacement mapping for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 14, 2006 Author Share Posted August 14, 2006 I'm thinking as low spline as possible and do the rest with texture. I may use displacements on the lumpy bits at the top of his head....and any other lumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dborruso Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Knowing your talent I know this will be a great model. I look forward to seeing how it comes out. Keep us posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jaqe Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 Loads of lumps he has, so plenty of displacement maps to be placed there are. *shakes his head* whoi, snapped out of it... I always get like that when I see Yoda. Good start! He getting a light sabre and everything? Or just a nude Yoda? Oh... oh the horror! Please swear you'll cover him up! And of course, may the force be with you. Cheers, Joakim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 It may just be a bust. I'll see how it goes. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajcedrv Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 so far, cool he looks... fast finish him you must, and certanly not only the bust... hey! this rhymes! (sorry) rhymes this nicely very... ... ... stop me! please!... this manner of speaking dangerous is!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 Basic mesh this is. Lots more tweaking needed there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dude Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Looks great!! I found 2 good reference pictures. You might be able to use them as rotoscopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 i love yoda. my number one fav star wars character. i agree with the tweaking. alot with the fore head. something i noticed is his ears are too small. they need to be longer and one is different from the other.. also the episode your basing the yoda on has a bit of effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper GTX2.0 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Ya its looking more and more like Yoda. Keeep up the great work and i think Yoda is my fave in starwars as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_black_mage Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 yoda is an inspiration to all little people. but i like the younger yoda he actualy has alittle white hair, he looks better with the white hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agep Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Great start on your Yoda model Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 yoda is an inspiration to all little people. but i like the younger yoda he actualy has alittle white hair, he looks better with the white hair. the look between old yoda and young yoda (and the awful episode 1 yoda) have alot of dif i feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 I'm leaning more toward the younger one (ep 2 and 3). I should have more progress tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Getting there slowly. Probably about a third way through the tweaking. He's so familiar to me that it's difficult to get him perfect. He actually reminds me of ET now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Oh man, I found this while looking for references.... http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/images/cookieyoda800.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottj3d Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 He's coming along quickly. Look's great so far. I think yours looks more like theres something going on between the ear's than the one on the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 alright ken, i know you got alot more work to put onto this but i feel i should point this out.. his face seems much to big. it shoudl also be a bit lower and his head should go up more. if you need any good references just ask. i know a million places with yoda pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamagica Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Ken here's the problem: the face is too tall. It should be more of a round shape. The cheeks shoudl be a bit larger. His brows shouldn't be arcs that are unbalanced..look at the latest reference that was posted up. You'll notice the browline digs into the top of the nose area more than the other end of the "arc" goes to the side of the head. Also, don't model him with a smile. Yoda is a fierece Jedi. just pull more of the ends of the mouth loop down a bit... I'm not good at modeling, but I think I can see things pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Yeah I agree with the comments. Up to now I've been using the same references Dude posted. But I don't think they're from the movies. That's why I've been looking for better ones.....the more the better DJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I prefer your look Ken ,it looks like it would be more fun to animate and use .Very nice modeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Slowly does it. Thanks for the comments. I don't quite get the eyebrow one though. Are they better in this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentothemax Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 It looks great! I think his eyes might be a bit to small, but i think that when it is textured with wrinkles and everything, it will look alot more like him. It looks like yoda when he was 20 : D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Rodney Posted August 16, 2006 Admin Share Posted August 16, 2006 The worlds fastest modeller strikes again. That is looking great Ken. Outstanding work so far. Yoda has got to be my favorite Star Wars character (besides the Stormtroopers that is... something about those cool suits). Please don't stop at just the bust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaryin Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I like this young looking Yoda. He does look a bit like Gary Coleman to me though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 excelent ken. i think the eyes are just about the right size.. although he looks a little chubby in the cheaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Thanks guys. That's just phase 2 of mesh tweaking so get your critiques in fast. I'll post the final part soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottj3d Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Theres a few decent shots of him here.http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yoda/ Not too high rez but good for reference. Dont really know how to posta link I guess but that was in the address window.....(edit) and pasting in in works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 Thanks. They're good even if small. Here's the latest. I'm pretty happy with the proportions now. Just a few spline tweaks and it should be on to texturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 oh yes ken it is seriously getting there! although i still feel with the size of ears and face that his head (excluding the face) is to small other then that i find it very well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric2575 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Hey Ken: I was going to model Yoda too, but got too busy to start. Well, maybe I'll do an older rendition in the future. Say, Yoda's eyes look pretty nice, how did you model those? I tried modeling some eyes and they don't look very life like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jaqe Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Wow, he's looking very good, you've made great progress. How long do you recon you'll spend on this model until it's done? If it's at all possible to guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 His eyes are the ones I made for TWO. They were derived from the Colins uber eyes. I'll be posting this model here eventually if you don't have access to the svn. I have no idea how long he'll take to be done. Even now, I'm finding some things wrong with him. I guess I've spent about 10 hours on him so far. Most of that is refining. I'd say another 6 hours to be totally happy with the head mesh. Then texturing will be slow as I haven't as much practice. I'd say about 20 hours for that including displacement/bump mapping. I'll probably do his hands and feet and use cloth for his body. Then all I'd need is a light saber. Didn't someone model one of those before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 iv modeld about a hundred lgithsabers loll there very easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jaqe Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 http://www.kci-group.com/z/lightsaber.htm I love this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 Thanks Joakim. I'll hopefully use that later. Here's another small update.....subtle changes to make him more yoda like. This will be my last update for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 looking good. but theres something about his mouth that dosnt seem right.. i think its too bulgy also his ears arnt both the same keep that in mind, and i think they need to be a lil lower and last there are some large bumps in his head that i dont think can be textured on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 OK, unless there are some glaring omissions or someone has plan drawings of him, I think this is as close as I'm going to get. I still have to fix the ears. Then I'll post front and side wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 your really making him look older now, and thats good. but there seems to be a bulg right below the right cheek if you see what i mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaryin Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Ken, he's looking great. I guess you decided to totally add all the forhead bump with decals. I would have modeled at least some of it, but that's me . I'm assuming you are going to use Pixosaur to texture it? Can't wait to see that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted August 26, 2006 Hash Fellow Share Posted August 26, 2006 That looks good ken! Does that have porcelain on it already? I'm sure you're aware of the numerous images of Yoda out there already. The fan art seems to vary quite a bit though. edit: here's an inexpensive official model that could be obtained for study Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossk Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Wow, I love it! What's really interesting is to load each of those images in its own seperate tab (if you're in firefox, safari, etc) and then cycle through them... its really cool seeing the changes made between each iteration. Excellent job once again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 Thanks! The bulges are meant to be jowels....maybe they're too big. I haven't put porcelain on him yet but I'll do it now and see how he looks. Also, I'm going to see how the "lumps" look with displacement mapping. I think it should just about work. Hopefully... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenH Posted August 26, 2006 Author Share Posted August 26, 2006 Phew! After 20 revision models, I think I'm finally getting places. What do you think....an improvement? I forgot I had an interactive yoda doll so I got some basic measurements from it. I wouldn't rely on it as it's not a great likeness. Also, I don't know why I thought his eyes were brown. If there's not obvious flaws, I think it's time to stick on a version and move onto texturing. That'll make it easier to judge likeness. Questions: What do yoda's teeth look like? How high is yoda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_black_mage Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 looks just like him now all you need are bump maps for the wrinkles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jedi Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 being my picky self i gota point things out hear.. i think hes getting fater now.. same with his ears. and to answer questions... yoda is .66 meters yoda really dosnt show his teeth much so this is the best pic i could find. his teeth are basicly roundish jagged one more thing.. i feel very strongly that you should model the main bumps in his head.. and here is some other pics to help u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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