mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Will Sutton's Kong model is a great model. Awhile back I rerigged with the squetch rig, but when I imported the model into the rig, I lost the hair grooming (which is fixed now). Well, I finally came back to it and I redid the hair on the character. Unfortunately the squetch rig is an older version, so I'll rerig again to update it to the newest version once I get the hair right. The original Kong model looked a bit puffed out to me with hair turned on and rendered. So, I made a few changes to the model to suit my taste, most of it was to the hair material. Here's what I have to far. 1 Quote
largento Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Lookin' good, Mark. The hair is nice and thick. I always wondered about the scale of the follicles. Given his tremendous size, wouldn't Kong's hair follicles be enormous, too? Big enough that they wouldn't blow in the wind? :-) Quote
HomeSlice Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Nice job Mark. The Squetch rig really seems to work well with gorillas. The hair looks great. large - you must be talking about real-life giant gorillas, not the variety that are commonly seen hanging around movie sets Quote
NancyGormezano Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 You did a great job with the texture, thickness of the hair - but I think the facial hair pattern looks a bit odd - I think The Kongster needs a bit more on his face - here's some reference photos of mountain gorillas - old slides of mine, circa 1984, taken before Dian Fossey was killed and before the genocide in Rwanda. Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 I don't think Kong was a mountain gorilla, though I could be wrong. I didn't change the hair group on the model, this is what Will had already. I could add the chin to the hair group. Here's a better look at the face, the camera angle and focal length kind of distorted the face in the first image. Quote
NancyGormezano Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 I don't think Kong was a mountain gorilla, though I could be wrong. Silly me...You're right! He was probably from New York or Hollywood...Don't know what I was thinking. Here's link to lowland gorilla pic - http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingd..._stern_face.jpg link to King Kong from movie (2005): (higher forehead - more hair) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6...g_bigfinal1.jpg Here's what he looked like in 1933 - more old fashioned gorilla (without his zoot suit) http://www.imdb.com/media/rm110987776/tt0024216 If you're trying for stylized - then it's whatever you want him to look like. Your version looks like it's aiming for realistic (to me). Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, this Kong came from Ooltewah, TN. Realistic is not necessarily the goal, the model would need an extreme overhaul, if that was the case. The face would need alot of tweaking for that to happen. All I'm trying to do is make a better hair material. 1 Quote
TheSpleen Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 I like it! would you share the rerigged and groomed model? Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks Holmes and Gene. I was considering posting the rerig, possibly multiple rigs as well. Is this better Nancy? Quote
jakerupert Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 much better, I think, makes him look wilder and more uncivilesed. Great job on the hair so far! I don`t know if this is easy to do, but could you post an alternative with the hair a bit thinner, denser and shorter and maybe darker over all, just to see , what this would look like? Quote
steve392 Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Looking good ,the hair is realistic looking to me ,doese it animate ok Mark Quote
NancyGormezano Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Is this better Nancy? awwww...he's just downright adorable. I like him just as you have him - as he looks like a young buck Kong, able to scale at least 6 stories - a mature and more menacing skyscraper climbing alpha male would probably have a higher & more pronounced forehead (click on picture as its an animated gif) Edited February 20, 2009 by NancyGormezano Quote
heyvern Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 Actually, this Kong came from Ooltewah, TN. I don't know... I thought he might have been covered in ice and stuffed in a big freezer in someone's backyard. Squetch rig on Kong? Yeehaaa! It gives one a whole new perspective on how that famous last scene of him falling off the Empire State building might look... Wiley "Kong" Coyote... -vern Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 I gave the hair material another overhaul. Half the thickness, half the length (except forearms) with 4 times the density. I'm rendering now. Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Posted February 20, 2009 Here's the render. Rendering a closeup now. Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 21, 2009 Author Posted February 21, 2009 Thanks Masna. Here's the closeup. The problem with these setting for the hair, which I was trying to avoid, was render times. This took 32 minutes to render with default lighting, not very practical for animation. The mouth shape is bugging me, need to do something with that. Quote
kwhitaker Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I gave the hair material another overhaul. Half the thickness, half the length (except forearms) with 4 times the density. I'm rendering now. Kong looks great, love the fur. now you need a jungle scene Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 21, 2009 Author Posted February 21, 2009 Thanks Kat. Yeah, a nice jungle scene would be nice, though I still have alot to do on Kong. Quote
jakerupert Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 >Here's the closeup. The problem with these setting for the hair, which I was trying to avoid, was render times. This took 32 minutes to render with default lighting, not very practical for animation. >The mouth shape is bugging me, need to do something with that. May be you could also insert the 2008 rigg into him? (I always planned to do a stylized Kong myself along the lines of the old black and white "Migthy Joe Young" or the old Aurora plastic model. Here`s a picture . Maybe some of you remembers him or even have a better picture?) ;>) Jake Quote
steve392 Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 That hair's looking even better ,Nice work Mark Quote
itsjustme Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 This took 32 minutes to render with default lighting, not very practical for animation. That's a shame, he looks great. Fantastic work, Mark! Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 21, 2009 Author Posted February 21, 2009 Thanks guys. I'm in the process of reinstalling the updated squetch rig now. I'll keep you posted. Quote
thefreshestever Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 that´s great! the long rendertimes with hair are always a pain in the xxx.... maybe you could lower the density a bit and make the hair a bit longer with more length-variation, maybe a bit kinkier too... so you could save a few minutes per frame eventually....especially the hair at the legs are a bit too short and uniform IMO... i always like watching your projects, i´m looking forward to the jungle he will jump through... Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks Sebastian. Want to test Kong out in a scene. I took Jim Talbot's Jungle Queen set and place Kong in it with a quick pose. I had to lower the density of the hair for this to render, still experimenting with the settings. I have to play with the lighting too, it's a bit dark. Quote
steve392 Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Looks like a shot from a David Atenborough,still looks graet even with the density down,Did you finish the rigging yet Mark,I would think he would be a bit more involved to do than a normal charector if there is such a thing Quote
mtpeak2 Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks guys. No I'm not finished yet with the rerigging. Adjusted the gamma and added softness to it. Quote
steve392 Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 When you see them side by side it makes a lot of differance and thats made it more interesting Quote
wedgeeguy Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Looks really good! I'd say that monkey is ready for his banana ... umm? ... I mean ape. Wedgeeguy Quote
mtpeak2 Posted March 8, 2009 Author Posted March 8, 2009 Thanks guys. Did a little more work on Kong. Made some adjustments to the hair materal. Still have more weighting to do (mostly hands and face) and setup the FACE. I need to do some texturing on the inside of his mouth. Now, if I could just build a set like that. [EDIT] Just a quick update to the inside of his mouth. Blurred the image a bit too. Quote
Paul Forwood Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Wow! He looks terrific, Mark! That is a much better hairline and the grooming looks great. Quote
steve392 Posted March 8, 2009 Posted March 8, 2009 Oh yea thats an improvement,looks as though he's gona swing from the trees enimoment Quote
NancyGormezano Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 Oooo...that's looking terrific - perhaps if you want to make him look fiercer, you might see what he looks like if you show more gum ? Quote
mtpeak2 Posted March 9, 2009 Author Posted March 9, 2009 Thanks David and Nancy. I was definitely planning on doing that Nancy, as soon as I finish the face rigging. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted March 9, 2009 Admin Posted March 9, 2009 Mark, That is looking sweeeet! I'm curious. Did you use the Post Effect 'Bloom' on either of the last two images? It definitely has that look. (Which looks great) Edit: Earlier I was going to suggest there was something a little flat about the face. I couldn't decide what was giving me that impression. In looking now I think it might be the front four top/middle teeth. If its not just the camera angle perhaps they may be just a little too straight? Adjusting the outter teeth just a very tiny bit would suggest depth in the jaw. If this is just camera angle please disregard. Quote
Kelley Posted March 9, 2009 Posted March 9, 2009 I don't think Kong was a mountain gorilla, though I could be wrong. Silly me...You're right! He was probably from New York or Hollywood...Don't know what I was thinking. Here's link to lowland gorilla pic - http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingd..._stern_face.jpg link to King Kong from movie (2005): (higher forehead - more hair) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6...g_bigfinal1.jpg Here's what he looked like in 1933 - more old fashioned gorilla (without his zoot suit) http://www.imdb.com/media/rm110987776/tt0024216 If you're trying for stylized - then it's whatever you want him to look like. Your version looks like it's aiming for realistic (to me). No links to Hollywood gorillas? Quote
mtpeak2 Posted March 10, 2009 Author Posted March 10, 2009 Thanks Rodney. Sorry, no bloom, I just blurred the image in PSP. There is a blur post effect, which I'll try on the next render. Quote
NancyGormezano Posted March 10, 2009 Posted March 10, 2009 No links to Hollywood gorillas? Sorry - Will this do? YooHooToob Quote
johnl3d Posted March 13, 2009 Posted March 13, 2009 Great shot two friends exchanging greetings Quote
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