Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 7, 2009 Hash Fellow Posted December 7, 2009 What could it be? Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 7, 2009 Admin Posted December 7, 2009 Coraline? Don't read my guess until *after* you've guessed. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 7, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 7, 2009 Coraline? Don't read my guess until *after* you've guessed. Not that complex. The "no copyrighted characters" rule would probably not permit it anyway. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 7, 2009 Admin Posted December 7, 2009 Not that complex. The "no copyrighted characters" rule would probably not permit it anyway. True. Very good point. Is it a teddy bear ? (Is it cheating if I guess a second guess?) Quote
PF_Mark Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 A character that has buttons for eyes? I am hoping to start my entery after my final Exam Dec. 18th so I have a little less than 2 weeks for my entry Quote
steve392 Posted December 7, 2009 Posted December 7, 2009 ummm a rag doll edit a vihecle of some sort Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 8, 2009 ummm a rag doll that's getting warmer Another part of this concept will depend on a recognizable caricature (3d modeled of course) of a famous person. This is a study to try to distill out what it is that person IS. Trouble is, I'm not much of a caricaturist. Does this look like anyone to anyone??? (it is not Ted Kennedy ) update: not right guesses so far... Armstrong, Lance Bergen, Candace Bergen, Edgar Boyle, Susan Bunny, Bugs (check those glasses, Nancy) Carney, Art Chaplin, Charlie Chop, Lamb Coraline Gleason, Jackie Grant, Cary H., Martin Hitchcock, Alfred Lewis, Jerry Lewis, Sherry Martin, Dean McCarthy, Charlie Wilde, Oscar Wilder, Gene Quote
PF_Mark Posted December 8, 2009 Posted December 8, 2009 ummm a rag doll that's getting warmer Another part of this concept will depend on a recognizable caricature (3d modeled of course) of a famous person. This is a study to try to distill out what it is that person IS. Trouble is, I'm not much of a caricaturist. Does this look like anyone to anyone??? (it is not Ted Kennedy ) Dean Martin? Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 9, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 9, 2009 I guess my caricature is pretty lousy. I'll have to think that thru some more. Here's a cloth test that goes with the buttons. Promising but not quite there yet. sock000H.mov Quote
TheSpleen Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 ooooohhhhhh the sock puppet is classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
John Bigboote Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Gene Wilder? Yeah...awesome sock puppet test! Quote
PF_Mark Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 I recognize the face I just do not know the name. I started assemble my chor last night I will post my blocked poses when I get them done Quote
steve392 Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Jerry Lewis ,that sock pupet is very well done Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 9, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 9, 2009 I should point out that Mr. Caricature has no known history of performing with sock puppets. This would be a new low in his career. That drawing also depicts him (I tell myself) at a much younger age than most of us who remember him at all would generally picture him. Here's an overhead view of the set-up for the sock puppet cloth. The buttons are attached to splines on the cloth with path constraints but notice that they still don't track it very closely. That's a problem. sockwire000H.mov I'm impressed that this works at all, however. Quote
NancyGormezano Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) Geeee-kneeee-us ! LOVE the sock puppet! Fabulous! Ok so lemme seee...Sock puppet, eh?...how about is it Candace Bergen? ummm...no...I mean Edgar Bergen?....nope, ummm...Charlie Mc Carthy?....ummmm...no...nope....I got it! I got it!...Lamb Chop? ...ummmm...no...Shari Lewis? ....yup, must be Shari Lewis... Wait...Wait! Jackie Gleason? EDIT: ok ok - I see no connection to sock puppet...rats. Charlie Chaplin? Edited December 9, 2009 by NancyGormezano Quote
itsjustme Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 That is a genius idea for an 11 second club submission, Robert! Have you tried using a single hair with a button image for each eye? It might track better...I haven't tried it though. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 9, 2009 Admin Posted December 9, 2009 Oh... that's really good! You are cutting edge all the way Robert. Sorry, no guess on the caricature. Closest I can recall to that is Oscar Wilde (as drawn by Cerebus the Ardvark's artist Dave Sim) Quote
Animus Posted December 9, 2009 Posted December 9, 2009 Would it be a TV animator Fox News? Cloth test works pretty good. Michel Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 10, 2009 Have you tried using a single hair with a button image for each eye? It might track better...I haven't tried it though. hmmm...that's a genius idea. My number one challenge is to get the cloth tighter on the arm, so it looks like a sock puppet and not a pillow case puppet. Quote
HomeSlice Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 You could also constrain the buttons to the hand after the animation is complete and the cloth has been simulated. You could use a decal of the buttons while animating to see where they are. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 10, 2009 You could also constrain the buttons to the hand after the animation is complete and the cloth has been simulated. You could use a decal of the buttons while animating to see where they are. Actually I did constrain the buttons after the cloth was simulated. It's possible that the spline serving as the path is stretching unevenly so that say, the 40% ease point is moving quite a bit, but that doesn't account for all the wandering motion the button is doing. Quote
itsjustme Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 You could also constrain the buttons to the hand after the animation is complete and the cloth has been simulated. You could use a decal of the buttons while animating to see where they are. Actually I did constrain the buttons after the cloth was simulated. It's possible that the spline serving as the path is stretching unevenly so that say, the 40% ease point is moving quite a bit, but that doesn't account for all the wandering motion the button is doing. If you make the spline for the buttons attached to the sock instead of one of the longer splines that make up the sock, it wouldn't be doing any stretching...it could be just a two point spline attached with a hook. It's worth trying. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 10, 2009 Slight improvement in non-bagginess. sock2.mov This one constrains the buttons to a spline that runs around the sock rather than lengthwise. This looks more stable. However now I can't get the path constraints to obey "Translate Only OFF". I f you look closely you can see they are not following the orientation of the sock. I'm beginning to think I may just model and rig the sock puppet in a conventional manner. Cloth sim probably wont let me get the closed mouth poses I need. Cloth doesn't like being crowded. Quote
PF_Mark Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 Is it Art Carney? the actor who played Ed Norton in the Honey Mooners? Quote
HomeSlice Posted December 10, 2009 Posted December 10, 2009 Could you just use simcloth on the part of the cloth that hangs down off the arm? I wonder if a dynamic constraint would be better for that ... Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 10, 2009 Could you just use simcloth on the part of the cloth that hangs down off the arm? the tricky part is the transition from regular mesh to cloth. At some point on the arm, behind the wrist I guess, the cloth would start and you'd have an obvious point where a rigid set of CPs is next to some freely moving ones. Quote
strohbehn Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Awesome idea.... and the puppet looks great already! Looking forward to seeing where you take this one, Robert. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 11, 2009 A test with a bit of actual dialog: SockSyncH.mov The notion of "mouthshapes" goes out the window with this concept. Quote
NancyGormezano Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 THAT IS Terrific!!! as well as funny...I love it - I think the fact that it looks like such loose cloth makes it look very very real... amazingly real...terrific idea! Quote
fae_alba Posted December 11, 2009 Posted December 11, 2009 Could you just use simcloth on the part of the cloth that hangs down off the arm? the tricky part is the transition from regular mesh to cloth. At some point on the arm, behind the wrist I guess, the cloth would start and you'd have an obvious point where a rigid set of CPs is next to some freely moving ones. Why not two models? One with sim cloth for a long shot to show the flowing sock, and a second modeled with a "normal" manner for close ups for the mouth movements? Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 12, 2009 Now in cross-eyed stereoscopic vision! sock3DH.mov Why not two models? One with sim cloth for a long shot to show the flowing sock, and a second modeled with a "normal" manner for close ups for the mouth movements? That's possible. The shot is so brief (11 seconds!) that I'm not inclined to do cuts or close ups. The actual animation (if it happens) wont' have a view quite like this test. Quote
PF_Mark Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 Is it Art Carney? the actor who played Ed Norton in the Honey Mooners? Still waiting to see if my guess is right Quote
NancyGormezano Posted December 12, 2009 Posted December 12, 2009 The actual animation (if it happens) That would be a huge disappointment...This is such a great original idea. Don't worry about the lip sync - just simple open, close, minimal shaping like a real sock puppet. As for the other character in this animation (in my mind), it occurs to me you could take a hand model - then plop a silly simple finger puppet on one of the fingers, and have the sock puppet and finger puppet(s) fight, and bash each other ...a la "Punch and Judy". This dialog would work wonderfully with something like that. Could be quite funny. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 12, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 12, 2009 As for the other character in this animation (in my mind), it occurs to me you could take a hand model - then plop a silly simple finger puppet on one of the fingers, and have the sock puppet and finger puppet(s) fight, and bash each other ...a la "Punch and Judy". This dialog would work wonderfully with something like that. Could be quite funny. That's actually the concept! Mr.Caricature would be the puppeteer in the middle. I've been looking into modeling a "Punch" puppet with the two arms Is it Art Carney? the actor who played Ed Norton in the Honey Mooners? Bzzzt! No, not Art Carney. I'll add that to the list not right guesses so far... Armstrong, Lance Bergen, Candace Bergen, Edgar Boyle, Susan Bunny, Bugs (check those glasses, Nancy) Carney, Art Chaplin, Charlie Chop, Lamb Gleason, Jackie Grant, Cary Lewis, Jerry Lewis, Sherry Martin, Dean McCarthy, Charlie Wilde, Oscar Wilder, Gene Quote
mtpeak2 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 It's the family guy................no wait...............Martin H.? Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 13, 2009 It's the family guy................no wait...............Martin H.? Nope, nope. Here's a clue: "He was a famous citizen. I thought his identity would be beyond the shadow of a doubt!" moving along... since Nancy blew my cover on the Punch Puppet I guess I'll start making him. Here's my research... (The last guy just about has it modeled for me.) So... next I try to distill those down to side and front rotoscope views: Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 13, 2009 Citizen Kane? that's closer! Quote
mtpeak2 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Orson Welles? Played Charles Foster Kane. Joseph Cotten? He played a part in Citizen Kane and Shadow of a Doubt. Just a stab in the dark. Ok, I'll give up now. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 13, 2009 Orson Welles? Ding Ding Ding! He played "Citizen Kane" and was the voice of "The Shadow" No, it's not a great caricature, I admit. Quote
HomeSlice Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Maybe something like this might work? http://www.toonpool.com/user/739/thumbs/or...welles_7280.jpg Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 13, 2009 back to the sock for a moment, here's my best success so far with tighter cloth. The cloth is riding pretty tight on the hand form without blowing up the simulation. No pass thrus either. sockTighter3DH.mov I was also able to close the mouth a bit more here. When cloth gets caught between two deflectors with no room to spare beyond the collision tolerance, that's when things start flying all over the place But this cloth is working so well it's tempting to think you could make a few rough forms for the body of your character, throw a shirt and pants on him and ... no more CP weighting! Quote
jason1025 Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 back to the sock for a moment, here's my best success so far with tighter cloth. The cloth is riding pretty tight on the hand form without blowing up the simulation. No pass thrus either. sockTighter3DH.mov I was also able to close the mouth a bit more here. When cloth gets caught between two deflectors with no room to spare beyond the collision tolerance, that's when things start flying all over the place But this cloth is working so well it's tempting to think you could make a few rough forms for the body of your character, throw a shirt and pants on him and ... no more CP weighting! Looks very photo real Quote
HomeSlice Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 The buttons are working really well. How did you fix them? Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Hash Fellow Posted December 13, 2009 The buttons are working really well. How did you fix them? They are constrained to a spline that goes around the sock rather than along the length. Less stretching I guess. Back to Punch now... I import my roto drawings into A:M and align them in front and side views. I grayed the white background of my rotos in Photoshop so I'd be able to see the white spline lines on them. This is the profile spline down the center of the head. I'm just trying to hit the major peaks and valleys. I might need to stitch more CPs in for detail later, but for now I try to do as few as possible. Some of the shapes, like the top of the head, the nose and the peculiar chin could be made quickly with lathe shapes so what I'll do is copy a portion of the profile spline, lathe it, and move those into place. Here the nose and chin have been lathed, moved into place and bent into shape: Quote
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