markeh Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 The piano model was done by Dylan Perry and the "piano seat" I think was done by Roger Reynolds and I yanked the chandelier model off from the Thanksgiving dinner scene. Bellagio Fountains Less than 7 mb wmv file. Quote
markeh Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 Hmmm the link works from my computer. However, my wife at work says all she hears is sound. I know that sorenson 3 is the best codec for QT so maybe I'll set it up that way, but what about target rate or keyframe every 15 frames or ? Quote
Pengy Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I think you have a great beginning there. Some suggestions you can take for what its worth. I think you need to work on the camera moves,theyre jerky in places. Also I think it seemed a bit long. Maybe some different camera moves to show the fountains and going to coloured spouts sooner would help that. Wouldn't the water also be displaced when the spouts feel back in the pool? I understand you posted in the showcase area but with some more tweaking this could be an awesome piece. Quote
markeh Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 Wouldn't the water also be displaced when the spouts feel back in the pool? I thought maybe I would turn on collision and let the sprites bounce a little on the surface to fake a little turbulence, but then the angle of the water shoots varies so greatly that I was afraid some of the sprites would dance around on the surface too long (when shot straight up, they die just below the surface. At an angle, they're still lively for quite some time below the surface.). Any suggestions on making displacement occur as the water hits the pond (easy suggestions)? Quote
NancyGormezano Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 What a pleasure. Loved the patterns you created for the fountains & and the syncing with music - beautiful - also enjoyed the combination of Debussy with Renoir? paintings. Very nicely done with the hand sync, and emoting of the pianist. Hopefully you will contribute to the TWO movie - there is a fountain there, crying out ... nay ....begging for your water artistry. And yes, I agree some displacement waves on the water would be lovely. EDIT: - ok I see vanGogh, and chagall? - still lovely Quote
nixie Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 I think if you were going to improve thi then what as been said is a good start. more interesting lighting too perhaps. Overall though i really enjoyed watching that! thanks for sharing Nixie Quote
markeh Posted September 23, 2005 Author Posted September 23, 2005 Nancy - the only thing I know for sure is that those are art pieces inside the Bellagio in Las Vegas (I got them off their commercial web site). As far as who did them..........um.........I'm going to go with your answer. I know so little about art that some one could talk me out of thinking that Leornardo Davinci did Mona lisa. He did, didn't he? As far as TWO, I feel I would screw the whole thing up somehow. I went to one pro baseball game in my life. The score ended up being 20 to 4, an extremely embarassing spread. I felt my mere presence had everything to do with it. Quote
Slipin Lizard Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Its a great animation for sure...one petty comment I'd make for realism is the girls fingers seem to be hovering above the keys. Real piano players rest their fingers gently on the white keys and move up to the black keys when needed... just nit picking. Quote
Paul Forwood Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Beautiful!!! I would love to see some background lighting on those buildings, just so it doesn't look like absolutely everyone has left except the girl playing the piano. Also, as already mentioned, some reaction to the water's surface when the particles hit would really help to sell the whole illusion. Just beautiful though! Thanks so much for posting here. Quote
KNBits Posted September 24, 2005 Posted September 24, 2005 Nice concept. I agree with most of what been said so far. The water disturbance would be a must, a big must! Especially with those reflections. As for an easy idea of how to do it, I don't know. Personnaly I would try a TGA sequence displacement or bump map, synched with the water, but I wouldn't say it is an easy task. But hey, the hard work would pay off. I don't really like the environment. As is, I find it disturbing and not really on par with the fountain which is the real focus here. The buildings as silhouette is an interesting idea though. Lighting could also be less flat overall, and especially in the piano room. Also, I was wondering if it is possible to light the water particle (I'm not sure). If it is, I would also look at this option. Those shows are usually heavily based on the lighting concept. It would support your particle show visually. For exemple, would it be possible to color the water with lighting? (I think now it is done with particle color over time) As Pengy said, the cam movement is sometime jerky, while the mood is smooth and easy. Are you using a path and target on this? The transition out of the window is also to harsh, almost look as a cut. Otherwise it is great work. I think it has a lot potential. The water patern look great, kudos on that. Maybe the particle are a bit slow and linear in the movement IMO, but it does the trick. A nice case you have there! Quote
markeh Posted September 25, 2005 Author Posted September 25, 2005 Thankyou for all the kind comments. I agree with all the corrections. At some point I just say to myself that I have to get this out of my system and then I get lazy(Like that Bellagio building has a very low patch count and is only generally the same design as the real thing. It's windows are populated with the grid material). However, there are some things that I'm challenged at like lighting that will just have to come out in trial and error I suppose. But as far as that water displacement, I'm sort of waiting for Emilio or Anders or Marcel or Stephen Gross (collectively known as the rat pack in my eyes) to come out with some whizy plugin that doesn't quite make a whole movie for you, but makes things like that more easy. There are three camera cuts and didn't quite know what would make a believable transition from going inside to outside and vice versa. Maybe somehow a distortion as it passes through the window? Quote
Nosferatu Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 Would Emilio's "Wave Machine" help you? http://www.moscafilms.com.br/emilioleroux/amplugins.html Nos Quote
Dhar Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 What a beautiful concept. This is the kind of work that makes me think "Why didn't I think of that?" I've been to the Bellagio many times, not as a guest, just to use the VIP restrooms in the lobby (gold plated handle faucets, marble floors, huge mirrors), fit for a king. As impressive as Bellagio's real fountain chor., you did a very nice job choreographing to the choice of music. And adding color to the sprites was a nice touch. As I remember, the fountains at Bellagio were lit with more of a golden color lighting than simple white. Also, something about the girl's front bangs that didn't move quite right at the end. Very nice work overall. Present it to Bellagio! Who knows, maybe a paid job will come out of it Quote
Pengy Posted September 25, 2005 Posted September 25, 2005 I think for the camera moves its best to remember the K.I.S.S. method, why not just a "dreamy" disolve from her playing to the fountain? The effects of the fountain are going to outshine any fancy cam work anyways. Quote
Luxo Posted September 28, 2005 Posted September 28, 2005 Looks great! WET Design would be proud! Quote
ddustin Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Very very nice! The music has a haunting quality about it. There are always things you COULD tweak. Great job!! David Quote
zandoriastudios Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 I've watched that water show at the Bellagio, and you really recreated the mood wonderfully! I would also like to join Nancy and invite you to help us on the Oz movie--we want to have lots of fountains in the Tin Emporer's palace grounds. Your help would be very much appreciated. Quote
oakchas Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 see, Here we hve a whole bunch of animators looking at the thing.... Me, well, I just ain't there yet... I'm still stuck in the door! But from a non professional perspective... Whoa! Okay, it isn't Pixar stuff, or Disney.. But I don't gve a rat's patootie! I got lost in the thing... Sure, then I wondered "How'd he do dat?" But I don't really care. Ya know, it's kinda like fireworks... it's just a bunch o' chemicals that make different colors when they burn... there are shape charges and big booms... and whistles and stuff... but that's all just "stuff"... it's packed in paper really tight, and has fuses all in it and it's set off with a computer attached to it... but again... that's all just stuff! Just let me oooohhh and aaaahhhh and play the music and let me get all lost in it... Sorry folks, you are probably right in all the critiques... heck, the artist even agrees... but I got to say "I like it alot"... and if you want to improve on it, go ahead... make my day! But for now it's a keeper, until the upgrade comes out! And Markeh, don't even sell yourself short.... If they want you to work up a fountain for TWO... then you is goodeough... you is skilled enough, and you aint gonna gypsy pee on it just cause you are part of the process... DO IT, MAN! BTW... I REALLY, REALLY LIKE IT! 'kay? 'nuf said! Quote
zandoriastudios Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Mark has agreed! We will have some awsome fountains in OZ! Quote
Zaryin Posted October 3, 2005 Posted October 3, 2005 Mark has agreed! We will have some awsome fountains in OZ! Sweeet! Quote
markeh Posted October 3, 2005 Author Posted October 3, 2005 Awesome? Was that the terminology we discussed? Oh boy. ok ok ok...time to take my blood pressure pills. Quote
NancyGormezano Posted October 4, 2005 Posted October 4, 2005 time to take my blood pressure pills. Oh c'mon now - You live in las Vegas...We figure you to be a High Roller! Your Fountains are terrific! Quote
aaver Posted October 7, 2005 Posted October 7, 2005 [...]But as far as that water displacement, I'm sort of waiting for Emilio or Anders or Marcel or Stephen Gross (collectively known as the rat pack in my eyes) to come out with some whizy plugin that doesn't quite make a whole movie for you, but makes things like that more easy. "The rat pack" LOL and thanks I guess :-) While waiting for the plugin, I'd be happy to try to make the water displacements for the Oz movie fountains. If you think this sounds interesting, just make a simple test fountain, send the project file to me and I'll see what I can do. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted October 7, 2005 Hash Fellow Posted October 7, 2005 I've been to Las Vegas; those fountains were a highlight. Yes, there are many things that one might tweak, but it's a charming piece you've shared with us. Thanks! Quote
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