Caroline Posted January 12, 2007 Posted January 12, 2007 lol, Dhar - www.sxc.hu - fab site with royalty free photos. Great for rotoscopes and ideas too. But not so good for backdrops. Actually, I wanted to post a screen grab, to see if anyone else would approach this in a different way. The problem is when you have a photo, you have to deal with camera angle and sky. This was the only way that I could work out, to put everything on angles, which was very clumsy. First is side view, and second is front of the exact frame. The yellow is the photo of the track, and everything else goes at an angle across it. (That's why I was lazy on Shaggy's size, but thank you for being kind, Rodney ) Quote
Dhar Posted January 12, 2007 Posted January 12, 2007 That was clever! You are one excellent movie maker. Quote
mfortunato Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 lol, Dhar - www.sxc.hu - fab site with royalty free photos. Great for rotoscopes and ideas too. But not so good for backdrops. Actually, I wanted to post a screen grab, to see if anyone else would approach this in a different way. The problem is when you have a photo, you have to deal with camera angle and sky. This was the only way that I could work out, to put everything on angles, which was very clumsy. First is side view, and second is front of the exact frame. The yellow is the photo of the track, and everything else goes at an angle across it. (That's why I was lazy on Shaggy's size, but thank you for being kind, Rodney ) Of course I'm still working my way through the tutorials myself and I'm still coming to grips with the camera. I think the solution you created for the camera angle is brilliant. Anyone know of a simpler way she could have approached this (so we can all learn? ). Scaling issues aside, this is absolutely fantastic, Caroline! I really enjoyed this. The flag looked fantastic. Perhaps it was made of muslin or burlap - yeah - stiffness, schmiffness . It's great . - Michael Quote
mfortunato Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 Name: Michael Fortunato Exercise: Ex. 18 - Waving the Flag Date Completed: 01-29-2007 Instructor: Das Book Comments: I decided I wanted my flag to be a happy face, so I quickly painted a happy face and decaled it onto the flag. The background image is one that I painted the textures for an upcoming game I am a part of, The Silver Lining (www.tsl-game.com - shameless plug, I know). I just really liked that scene and thought the cartoon-like quality matched the happy face. So - et voila! It's like Roger Rabbit's ToonTown or something . - Michael Ex.18_WavetheFlag.mov Quote
Caroline Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 That's too cute - I love the happy face flag. Quote
Joe Gamblin Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 Name: Joseph Gamblin (Achilles Desire) Exercise Completed: Exercise 18 Date Completed: January 31, 2007 Instructor: just the book Remarks/Suggestions for Improvement: I'm still in the process of experimenting with this, but I decided to go ahead and post my first render straight from the book. Now I have two remarks. First, I don't like the intangible flag pole, but I wasn't happy with the rigid bodies solution either as I got some powerful collisions when the flag snaps back. I am currently doing some tests with Simcloth, but was wondering what the differences were between Simcloth and the Cloth Wizard, and if each has pros\cons for usage. Other tutorials on cloth are slim pickings, so I'm making sure to document my experiments. Second, I'm assuming that cloth can be used in conjunction with newton, but if so, do you simulate the rigid bodies first and then the cloth? I've been trying different techniques, and keep getting render exceptions or crazy super-expanding cloth during collisions. Tests continue with low and high density meshes. I'm sure that I'm just forgetting to click something, or that I'm doing something out of order. Again, when I gets results that I'm happy with, I'll post'em. Don't hold your breath thou. I'm a picky bugger.flag_wave.mov Quote
Caroline Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 Hi, Joseph - I'll be interested to see what you come up with - cloth is something I just want to drape around someone and not have to think about But people have come up with some great concepts - like Water From Cloth - that was in the archived Cloth Forum. I don't know the answers to your questions, but there is this thread about Newton and Cloth. Have you seen the TWO Cloth TechTalk Movie? I like your toon render - did you put the deflector material on the post group so the flag wouldn't go through the pole? Quote
jmf3d3d Posted February 11, 2007 Posted February 11, 2007 Name: Jeremiah M. Faries Exercise Completed: #18: Waving the Flag Date Completed: Feb 9, 2007 Remarks: I'm waving my country's flag in my google earth backyard . Of course, you can't see me ... it's such a BIG flag and pole. Also, it's been VERY windy here lately so I added a stiff breeze from out of the north. The simcloth motion from the flagpole movement interacts kind of strangely with the simulated wind motion but I left it in. Without the breeze it settles nicely but it's a blowin' outside. exercise_18_bda.mov Quote
totlover Posted February 12, 2007 Posted February 12, 2007 name Caleb gunby Excersise Completed: 18 Waving the flag Date Completed: Feb. 11,2007 http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/ret...urrent=Ex18.flv p.s. i still havent finished the dust one. i am having wierd probs with it Quote
mfortunato Posted February 12, 2007 Posted February 12, 2007 Looks like you nailed the flag (that sounds odd to me now that I'm reading that back - oh, well, I kept it). Nice work! What sort of problems are you having with the dust exercise? - Michael Quote
totlover Posted February 12, 2007 Posted February 12, 2007 Looks like you nailed the flag (that sounds odd to me now that I'm reading that back - oh, well, I kept it). Nice work! What sort of problems are you having with the dust exercise? - Michael well i was doing it looking at the book and i did exactly like it said and the dust never showed up. i am going to watch the video and figure it out though if i still have problems i will let you know thanks, Caleb Quote
aj2 Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Name: Al Jolly Exercise: Ex. 18 - Waving the Flag Date Completed: Feb-15 On to the next one Ex_18_Flag.mov Quote
Raffi Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Name: Ralf Kampp Exercise: #18 - Waving the Flag Date Completed: March 24th 2007 Remarks: I tried to make the exercise a little more interesting and put the flag into an actor's hand who waves it over his head. Unfortunately I got the error "System unsolvable" when trying to simulate the cloth. The cloth system seems a bit restricted/fragile to me. So I made the standard exercise instead. flag.mov Quote
Logrus Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 Name: Big E Exercise: #18 - Waving the Flag Date Completed: March 25, 2007 Comments: no issues, Was interesting to see how much life my flag got.. http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/ninja...urrent=Flag.flv Quote
Caroline Posted March 26, 2007 Posted March 26, 2007 I am always amazed when I see this flag actually become cloth-like, with so little effort by the animator. It's one of my favourite exercises to look at. Quote
Mohammad Posted June 20, 2007 Posted June 20, 2007 Name: Mohammad El-Abid Excercise Completed: 18 Date Completed: June 20 2007 Remarks/Suggestions: This is fun yet easy, and teaches alot thanks randy and the web guy! just paste geocities.com/name_here44/flag.avi should work... Quote
Mohammad Posted June 21, 2007 Posted June 21, 2007 leave it to me to miss-spell my domain name... again... just paste this in your location bar... geocities.com/name_here44/flag.avi Quote
Chrury Sanson Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 sirhC :emaN (I'm glad I'm almost finished. It's getting really hard thinking up funny things to put here. ) Exercise: This one. The flag waving....thing. Completed: Yesterday! (8-23-07) Notes/comments: I modeled myself a new flagpole. A few simulations I ran had the flag bunch up against the pole, (opposite a force BTW) squeeze into a ball and lag there; trying to calculate 50,000 or so intersections or whatever. This one worked nicer. Only two cps went wacky in a few frames so it was easy enough to tweak em with muscle mode. I also forgot to resize the skydome on frame 0. Makes for a nice affect though, right? flagged.mov EDIT: Oh yeah. How is the default flag set up? It's not attached to the pole yet it still hangs up there. When I tried that, the flag fell straight down. Quote
Caroline Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 Nice flagpole. I also forgot to resize the skydome on frame 0 That is the one thing I do all the time - paths, cameras, you name it. So frustrating. Still, in your case, it looks like serious weather. It's not attached to the pole yet it still hangs up there. When I tried that, the flag fell straight down I don't know much about cloth - could it be the "Attached" group that has the Attached property to ON? Quote
Chrury Sanson Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 I don't know much about cloth - could it be the "Attached" group that has the Attached property to ON? That was it. As obvious as it sounds now. I really appreciate the comments, Caroline. It's the strangest feeling to have the last post on a forum like this. It's like "OMP! Did I just kill the thread or waht? " Quote
Chrury Sanson Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 Hey, I'm using some cloth in the flocking exercise but I can't get it to simulate only between x and y time. Changing the chors simcloth properties ('use chor range' to OFF and then setting a time frame) doesn't seem to work for some reason. Any ideas? EDIT: Well part of the problem was I was editing the wrong chor. Now (with the RIGHT chor edited.) the cps slowly sink downward before the simulation time. that was just a test chor so maybe this other one will work fine. Quote
playerktw Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Interesting exercise. Kevin Woods Exercise 18 10/22/07 Exercise_18.mov Quote
Mohammad Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 so did my stuff get credited or not? I think I'm just going to grab all of my stuff finish it up then zip it and upload it on rapidshare. Would you care Rodney? Quote
Admin Rodney Posted January 25, 2008 Author Admin Posted January 25, 2008 so did my stuff get credited or not? I think I'm just going to grab all of my stuff finish it up then zip it and upload it on rapidshare. Would you care Rodney? That works fine for me. There are several options for publishing TaoA:M exercises I'd like to investigate in 2008. None are as simple as just uploading to the individual Exercise topics though. Quote
Mohammad Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 I better hurry up and get it done before you change it then Quote
Admin Rodney Posted January 29, 2008 Author Admin Posted January 29, 2008 I better hurry up and get it done before you change it then Not to worry. No new requirements but a lot of extracurricular activities and explorations for those that have an interest. Input from TaoA:M Alumni will be even more valuable so we'll be looking to you graduates for advice! Quote
Mohammad Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 is "making a face" an extra or required? Should I just stick to the book? But *sniff* I have to upgrade soon, and I want to get a new CPU since right now I'm using a pentuim 4 with 0.5 ram! But I don't have the groom tool for the chewy! So yeah I only have one section minus chewy left so I;ll start doing those this weekend! Quote
Admin Rodney Posted January 29, 2008 Author Admin Posted January 29, 2008 is "making a face" an extra or required? Its an integral part of TaoA:M at this point so officially 'yes' its required. Keep in mind that you may be able to demonstrate you've met the intent of the exercise without completing the specific steps or using the specific models used in the manual. Hair has been around in various forms in A:M for a very long time now. You get extra credit for showing how you put a project together. Quote
Mohammad Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 ooohhh, good idea Thanks for helping me out Rodney Quote
Torak Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Name: Shane O'Sullivan Exercise Completed: Exercise 18 Date Completed: October 1, 2008 Instructor: None / Manual and Online Video tutorial Remarks/Suggestions for Improvement: I know its been awhile, been busy with other stuff thought i should finish the course now. Exercise 18 Quote
TheSpleen Posted October 15, 2008 Posted October 15, 2008 Name: Robert Thompson Date: Oct. 15, 2008 Instructor: Video Lesson 18 FlagSpleen2.mov Quote
number Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Name: Tim Roberts Exercise Completed: Exercise 18: Waving the Flag Date Completed: Nov 26, 2008 Instructor: Manual, forum Comments: OK, I've got a nice flag animation, but the pole drops through the ground. I'm missing something. Any hints appreciated. ex_18_small.mov (added) OK, found the error. I hadn't set the pole to the deflector type. Fixed version follows. ex_18_small_fixed.mov Quote
number Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 thanks, Spleen! Can't wait to start building out bigger projects, like you. Here is another project created to play around w/ cloth. Looks more like a rubber sheet. I need to look at the settings to simulate other fabrics. ex_18_fun.mov Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 6, 2008 Author Admin Posted December 6, 2008 Ya know... I thought I had commented on your post here Number. Looks like I had just planned to post and didn't. Thats a effective test demonstrating the usefulness of Simcloth. My suggestion to avoid the twitching at the end of the simulation sequence is... don't fight it in the simulation. Rather just remove that portion of the rendered sequence or replace it with duplicate frames from where the cloth is holding still. You could even reverse some of the frames to have the cloth ease back upward just a little. The principle: Not every frame rendered must be kept. Quote
TNT Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Exercise 18: Flag The flag is raised, the goal is near, and the end is in sight! flag.mov Quote
Admin Rodney Posted February 26, 2009 Author Admin Posted February 26, 2009 The flag is raised, the goal is near, and the end is in sight! Hey, take your time. Enjoy every moment. You'll never be able to experience your first time through TaoA:M again. Milk it for everything its worth. Barring any objections I'll be stepping back into the certificate program again soon. I'll be honored to present one of the first TaoA:M certificates for 2009 (if not the very first) to you. Quote
TNT Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I'm not trying to just "Get thru" I'm to the point where some ideas are starting to form and I want to start on them, but, I don't want to get off track of completing my Jedi training. Thanks for the all the encouragement. It really helps. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted February 26, 2009 Author Admin Posted February 26, 2009 I'm not trying to just "Get thru" Trust me. I didn't think you were. Everything I've seen thus far tells me you've been putting everything you've got to into the effort. Some of my commentary does spill out toward those who are looking in or debating when they want get started. When they do take that inevitable leap of faith and dive into TaoA:M they'll have a tough act to follow. Quote
Admin Rodney Posted February 26, 2009 Author Admin Posted February 26, 2009 I'm to the point where some ideas are starting to form and I want to start on them I hope you keep a journal and write these ideas down as you get them. When you return to them you'll be ready to attack them... smarter! Quote
Rob_T Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 I was kind fo surprised with this one. The video and book lessons aren't just a little different, they are completely different. Two distinct approaches to the same goal (although the pole does not wave in the vid version). I did the book the way the book said and played around a bit with the video version. I explored "the force" a bit and added some snap to my flag. It doesn't seem like there is any easy way to keep the flag from that pass through in the first few frames (I'm reverring to the video version of the lesson). As gravity grabs it, it just falls and it takes a moment for the force to assert itself. I wonder if the rigid body or Newton plug in from the previous lesson might be useful here in making the pole and flag more substantial and less likely to pass through? Can plug ins like sim cloth and Newton work together? Anyway, nice intro to cloth. I kinda wish it had been cloth on a model but I'll take what I can get. Vids attached. lesson18wavetheflag.mov lesson18wavetheflagvideowithsnap.mov Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 9, 2009 Hash Fellow Posted June 9, 2009 Does the book version make the pole a "deflector" but not the video version? Quote
Rob_T Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Does the book version make the pole a "deflector" but not the video version? Yeah the video doesn't do anything to the pole at all. In fact the video way of doing it was so fast I basically just followed along doing what the tut said as it did it. I only had to pause it a couple times. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 10, 2009 Hash Fellow Posted June 10, 2009 Yeah the video doesn't do anything to the pole at all. I guess that explains the pass thru. One could probably add the step from the book to the video pole and fix it. Quote
TheSpleen Posted November 19, 2009 Posted November 19, 2009 where's the video tut for this please? Quote
Admin Rodney Posted November 19, 2009 Author Admin Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.hash.com/2007web/vm.htm Quote
Timekiller Posted February 15, 2010 Posted February 15, 2010 Exercise 18 complete 15 Feb 10 flag.mov Quote
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