noah brewer Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 I'm still working on the hands, face, and cloth, but I've fixed a few things. The aliasing in the highlights of the hair is temporary; please ignore it for now. http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu2.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu3.html All comments and criticism are welcome! Thanks, Noah Quote
Admin Rodney Posted October 18, 2004 Admin Posted October 18, 2004 Wow! Looks even better. The slight imprefections in the skin really add to the realism. What did you use for that? Quote
Zaryin Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 I think my favorite is the one where she's looking directly at the camera. All of them are great. I'm sure you noticed the cloth going through her upper thigh on the second one. Quote
noah brewer Posted October 18, 2004 Author Posted October 18, 2004 Thanks! I will fix the thigh/cloth collision on the next revision, among other things. As for the skin texture imperfections, I use very subtle bump and specularity maps, with a subtly textured color map as well. It has taken me several hours in Photoshop to get the skin textures to where they are in these renders. Oh yeah, one of the renders has the sleeve from the original photo temporarily masked on top of it. ...I need to start modeling that. Quote
Julian Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 Can you show us what the original photo looks like? I want to see whether the shadowing on her face or the lack of specularity in her eyes is something from the original that you wanted to reproduce. Quote
starwarsguy Posted October 18, 2004 Posted October 18, 2004 man, you should post a tut for this or something! i can't find any good tuts for this stuff, and this is the best i've ever seen! Quote
Admin Rodney Posted October 19, 2004 Admin Posted October 19, 2004 Oh yeah, one of the renders has the sleeve from the original photo temporarily masked on top of it. ...I need to start modeling that. Glad you explained that... my brain was working hard to figure that one out! Quote
zacktaich Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 you've ran out of bandwidth. Try photobucket.com or picserver.tk for your photostorage (they're free, I currently use photobucket). Better yet, you can directly link them. Quote
jon Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 the tweaks have really tightened up the piece here. as far as i'm concerned she's done! i just did figure out what was bugging me about her face, however: i still haven't seen the source photo, but she looks more britney than japanese. its the eye shape and heavy mascara/liner -- but as i said -- i could be dead-on kokubu for all i know. i'm surprised there hasn't been more begging for wireframes. ' ' ) -jon Quote
noah brewer Posted October 19, 2004 Author Posted October 19, 2004 Thanks for all the comments! I just posted some slightly higher rez versions for all 3 renders. I also posted 2 of the original photos at: http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu4.html Next I will address the specularity in the eyes, as well as the changes listed below each render. I will try to get some wireframes posted sometime today also. Thanks everyone, Noah Quote
noah brewer Posted October 19, 2004 Author Posted October 19, 2004 Ok, I put up two wireframes at: http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu5.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu6.html Quote
Zaryin Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 What a beautiful mesh!. Excellent job with that. I still have to try and tackle a female (of any species), all my models have been male. I hope my mesh looks as good as that when I do. Quote
starwarsguy Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 grt job! especially with going from reference like that! i too need to tackle a female figure Quote
noah brewer Posted November 30, 2004 Author Posted November 30, 2004 3 new renders are up now: http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu7.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu9.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu11.html I know the hands still need work, but what do you think? Quote
Admin Rodney Posted November 30, 2004 Admin Posted November 30, 2004 I'm a bit afraid to tell you what I really think! Wow! Awesome work. Makes me think of the suggeston by Fuchur (I think) about updating the stills on the A:M site. Your work definitely should be put up there in the spotlight. You need to talk to us about the hair and skin... definitely... so talk! If I had to pick a spot that I think you should work on I'd say the knees. You may want to investigate Phil Leavens animated decal skin thingy as he's producing some nice results in stills and animations via his technique with minimal splinage. Here is the link to the beginning of his tutorial/lesson on his site Bravo! Quote
martin Posted November 30, 2004 Posted November 30, 2004 Noah; Those are stunning images: good modeling, good lighting, great sex appeal. OMG, really great sex appeal... Where's my wife? Martin Hash Quote
noah brewer Posted November 30, 2004 Author Posted November 30, 2004 Wow, thanks a lot! I'm going to check out that tutorial, and also try to use radiosity on my next renders. As for the mood of the images, I'll just say that I'm glad to have a wife who is supportive of my work. (I know a lot who might not be...) noah Quote
noah brewer Posted November 30, 2004 Author Posted November 30, 2004 BTW, I would be happy to contribute any images that you guys would like to use. Although the images with the disclaimers at the bottom were based extremely closely on a photographer's work, kokubu-9 and kokubu-11 should be okay if you ever need them. thanks, Noah Quote
KenH Posted November 30, 2004 Posted November 30, 2004 Whaa! No fair. You get to model pretty young babes, while I'm stuck doing ugly old men! Big improvements....fat ankles though. Quote
Zaryin Posted November 30, 2004 Posted November 30, 2004 Saw the newer pics with her and the sword. Awesome! Quote
Sharky Posted December 1, 2004 Posted December 1, 2004 Wooow! Beautiful girl! Nice work! Cheers.. Sharky Quote
ypoissant Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Very good model, textures and lighting and overall pictures. I like the very feminine feel to her even though she is pictured in sort of hero poses. Hero poses but not overly testosterone driven. With self confidence but not blind confidence. Image 11 have a determined look but not a killer look. If I were to nit-pick on something, I don't particularly like those panels in the background of the first serie. It is too characteristic of computer generated imagery. And I find the square tile under her is too sharply cut. I would extend the floor so that we don't see the edges and delimit the visible part of the floor with a spot or if you don't want to modify your lighting, with a spherical material designed to make the central part of the floor fade to black in a circular way. Quote
noah brewer Posted December 2, 2004 Author Posted December 2, 2004 Thanks for the compliments and advise! I will make all of your recommended changes in my next revisions. I'm working on some new images, as well. Probably another week or two before I will post them, though. Thanks, Noah Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 2, 2004 Admin Posted December 2, 2004 Two words my friend.... Image Contest (That is all) Quote
noah brewer Posted December 3, 2004 Author Posted December 3, 2004 ok, I sent it to steve. I hope that heroines count as heros, too. Noah Quote
nerrazzi Posted December 3, 2004 Posted December 3, 2004 MAN! Phew! Your models are unbelievable! Love the hair too. I think you & Yves are by far the best modelers of females Hash has. You had one other female model I saw maybe a year ago and you did a fabulous job on her as well. I think she had a "slightly" more exaggerated figure but still those are the best. There needs to be some kind of Hash Community Award for you guys; not associated with the image contest but for an obvious clear understanding of the human topography & the how-to's behind spline modeling. Up to this point, you guys are unbeatable.... Quote
Moistanimations Posted December 5, 2004 Posted December 5, 2004 Very cool. But one problem, the veins on her stomach, there to evident, lower the alpha. ( i dont know if they use alpha in animation master) it means to make it less visible. (fade) Quote
patsommer Posted December 13, 2004 Posted December 13, 2004 wow that is amazing! could you possibly post wireframes or email me picture of the wireframes... i wanna see how they work together to get such great detail Quote
Admin Rodney Posted December 13, 2004 Admin Posted December 13, 2004 I think he did post wireframes... you may have to read back a bit though. Try this link back: Wireframes Quote
noah brewer Posted December 13, 2004 Author Posted December 13, 2004 There should be a couple more wireframes here, too. http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu8.html http://www.angelfire.com/film/noanoa/kokubu10.html As for the veins, I have to address them on an image by image basis depending on the lighting. (The lighting will make them either too subtle, or too pronounced) I will tone them back in future revisions; Thanks! Noah Quote
turbokitty77 Posted December 16, 2004 Posted December 16, 2004 Wow, amazing... I'm speechless... Very well done, Noah. How good are you with Maya by the way? Just curious. Quote
JohnArtbox Posted December 18, 2004 Posted December 18, 2004 fantastic images...I've got a funny feeling this is going to be a standout image contest Have you animated her yet? Quote
John Bigboote Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 Chiming in--- NICE work Noah! I enjoy looking at your images... MY NITPIKS: You asked... The ones on black...you need a 'rimlight' behind her to catch her edges and add drama... The 'cubed' ones...this nitpik is quite 'Seinfeldish'...her bellybutton looks, well, yucky. Dirty. large. I would reduce the amount of 'dark' from that area...I know you are emulating a real model, but my eye is just drawn to that bellybutton... Planning on animating? I hope so! Keep up the stellar work! Quote
noah brewer Posted December 20, 2004 Author Posted December 20, 2004 How timely to bring up animation! (BTW, thanks for the suggestions, too!) I wasn't planning on animating the renders from this thread, but I will repurpose the character model into my BGC animation. Over the past 3 months I've been digesting a lot of source influences, in hopes of gaining a clearer direction for my Bubblegum animation. These sources are wide-ranging, and include watching video games, music videos, the invasion of Iraq, analyzing mocap movements in A:M, attending a workshop on Sesame Street Muppeteering, and observing the production of my company's pilot episode for a new 3D cartoon. All of these new things are swirling around in my head now, so I'm trying to re-evaluate the best direction for my Bubblegum animation. In short, I want to improve its content and visuals over my previous expectations. Time to do more storyboards... Quote
starwarsguy Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 Noah, please, someday post a tutorial on how to model and texture this gal. I MUST KNOW! AT LEAST ON THE HAIR AND THE FACE! Quote
Malaclypse235 Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 I agree. I'd kill for the tutorial... Well, maybe just maim... Exceptional work! Mal Quote
starwarsguy Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 I'd, i'd, I'd.... I'd do something more than kill for it! RARRR! Quote
rbjohnsn Posted December 21, 2004 Posted December 21, 2004 On the third rendering the nickers are under the skin in two places. All in all great modeling. Quote
R Reynolds Posted December 22, 2004 Posted December 22, 2004 In another thread about avoiding creases it was sagely pointed out; "...your breaking one major rule- a spline dead-heading into an intersection. Nope; not good. Gotta be another way to solve the splineage at that point." However it appears in the wireframes of Sachiko v2 that she has this very splinage at her cheek bone with no sign of creasing. What magic did you perform? Quote
noah brewer Posted December 22, 2004 Author Posted December 22, 2004 This ONE part of the face has always been a pain for me to resolve, and so far, this is the best solution that I've come up with. I used that dead-heading spline that you mentioned into the top of the cheek because the resulting crease is less visually disturbing than the weird bump that results from a 5-point patch at that location. However, (though it may not be visible in the wireframe) I actually have the dead-heading spline CONTINUE past the intersection with another cp to make the spline's adjacent surfaces as smooth as possible. On top of this, using porcelain helps a bit. Still, with certain lighting conditions, the crease on top of the cheeks can be visible... As for modeling the face and hair, in general, it takes dozens of hours of work to get right (if you're a perfectionist). The more good reference that you have, the easier it will be to model. I've redone my basic face spline structure at least 5 times over the past few years to get to the one that I use now. I think the key is to just try and enjoy the process and make improvements one step at a time. Noah Quote
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