Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted March 9, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted March 9, 2011 we were talking elsewhere about improving basic skills. Can you spot the fundamental error in this image? It's not that Barney's arms are clipped off or that he doesn't have whites to his eyes or anything to do with how these characters are designed, it's a basic posing mistake, one to avoid when posing your characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeSlice Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Betty's right arm is in front of her body, so it doesn't form a good silhouette? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowx Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I'd go with Homes on this one, although the look on Betty's face clearly shows she's phoning in her performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakerupert Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 On first glance you could take Bettys left arm for Barneys right arm! ...which would be too long then. I don`t know, how you would name this kind of mistake though..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyGormezano Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Betty's right hand is tangenting her left arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Hash Fellow Share Posted March 10, 2011 Betty's right arm is in front of her body, so it doesn't form a good silhouette? You're on the right trail, although for this "cha-cha" pose one arm will just about have to cross in front of her body. But silhouette... Betty's right hand is tangenting her left arm Ding, ding, ding! Yup. A "tangent" occurs when two edges that aren't really in the same space appear to adjoin each other. Betty's right hand is really much closer to us than her left arm but the way the two have that alignment creates a false visual connection and a less clear silhouette than could have been had. To fix it her hand should either cross over enough to overlap the edge of her arm (making the spatial placement obvious) or, better in this case, be a bit lower so there's no contact at all. Other examples of tangents are when the top of an object such as a person's head or the roof of a house touch a horizon line. http://alscotts.blogspot.com/2009/01/bad-tangent.html It's surprisingly easy to get these by accident when posing 3D models, but I'm also surprised one got through on a piece of hand drawn production art like on that DVD. Someone and their Art Director forgot their Posing 101. Avoid tangents in your own work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeSlice Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Betty's right hand is tangenting her left arm Congratulations Nancy! Do you get a Flintstones DVD as your prize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyGormezano Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Do they make Flintstone Vitamins for seniors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fae_alba Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 ya know, I stared at that pic for quite a while last night and couldn't see what was wrong with it..but the minute I read Nancy' post, it jumped right out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseman Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 And here I thought it was because Barney wasn't purpley and dinosaurey enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Hash Fellow Share Posted March 11, 2011 I do think it's odd the way Barney's mouth is all the way on one side of his nose. They're kind of Cubist that way, but it probably works better when they don't try to 3D shade the characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwing Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 This reminds me, are you still working on a book Robert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bigboote Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 My 1st glance saw Barney's arm extending thru the circle and coming out the other side as Betties... I am not bothered by the 'tangency'. Any flaw that you need to look 2-3-4 times to see is not a flaw in my books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I would have said Barney's twinned pose. The tangency is a minor problem but should be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyGormezano Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 My 1st glance saw Barney's arm extending thru the circle and coming out the other side as Betties... I am not bothered by the 'tangency'. Any flaw that you need to look 2-3-4 times to see is not a flaw in my books. I agree. There are more distracting elements of that image, especially given how it's placed on the dvd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted March 12, 2011 Author Hash Fellow Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fitting artwork that has lived its life in rectangular format onto a circle with a hole in the middle is a tough assignment to do well. Something is going to get clipped off. But the tangent is hard to explain because that's not an accident of placement, someone drew that that way, and it would have cost nothing extra to not have the tangent. It may not be a grievous error, but it's an elementary one on the same level as not spell-checking the text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bigboote Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 How that little shlub Barney ever scored a hot dish like Betty I'll never know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeSlice Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 How that little shlub Barney ever scored a hot dish like Betty I'll never know... Betty probably likes "teddy bear" types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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