Had a bug show up when I installed new over Beta it would only render 1st frame correctly then ...well I can't show you as I decide to uninstall 17 and start with fresh install and did not realize that win 7 would no only uninstall program but all files in that folder so all the project/qt etc I had in the 17 folder are gone some are backed up but not the last week or so and most of them are posted on the forum just a bit of a surprise : Good news clean install seems to be okay