I don't think I explained myself very well Rodney I was TRYING to say when rotating a bone ,as in placing a rig .As in the 2008 rig when doing the feet bones you use the rotate manipulator to get them into position say xat 0 y at 90 and z at 0 ,but its hard to move it in one axes without moving the other,it must take me the longest part of the rigging process,probably its just me