GOD?!.,

[Mr MM]

GOD?!.,

Which faces are we - our I:s - to make?

Which words are we - our I:s - to find out?

Which concepts are we - our I:s - to invent?

Which feelings are we - our I:s - to experience?

 

Some are trying to change our beliefs - The da Vinci code by Dan Brown:

http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/reviews.html

 

But perhaps not the whole truth:

http://www.lisashea.com/hobbies/art/

 

Instead trying to search for the roots:

http://www.thedyinggod.com/

 

Is this that will come instead?

http://www.expansions.com/

 

Someone is saying World War IV have started:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm

 

Others saying we have been deceived:

http://www.wtc7.net/

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

 

How can we figure this out - without sitting down - checking every concept - in the end losing our I:s - getting a common ground?!., to start from trying to do something?!.,

 

Getting acquainted with everyone - the ones that really matter - modeling them - animating their lives:

http://www.microscopy-uk.net/mag/indexmag....un99/wflea.html

 

If you want to know how it was done - see this topic:

http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12587

[Sevenar]

Modeling talk is one thing, but this is not a forum for people to proselytize their religion, philosophy, politics, or sports team. The whole rest of the Internet is available for that.

[Mr. Jaqe]

I have to say I agree a tad with Sevenar, of course, you're allowed to have opinnions, but I belive there are certain forums for that aswell. Just try'n keep on-topic, ok?

[Vash]

If your gonna be that way about it .... maybe you should recheck the second commandment.

[Mike Hart]

Your observation that the image of God looks, exactly, like Zeus is very interesting.

 

Mike Hart

[Mr. Jaqe]

Ummm... Vash? what the heck is that? and btw, the model looks kinda cool(forgot to mention that in my last post).

[KenH]

Ummm... Vash? what the heck is that? and btw, the model looks kinda cool(forgot to mention that in my last post).

I think that's referring to "thou shalt not make my image etc"....although it's not that clear. It makes you wonder about all those religious statues and paintings though.... (It's not like he's worshiping his creation or anything)

[Mr MM]

A Toon Render - ATR -

[Mr MM]

A Close Up - ACU -

[Mr MM]

A Closer Up - ACU -

[Mr MM]

A Face Rendering - AFR -

[Vash]

I guess.... beside that it's good.... It looks like a characature...

[Mr MM]

I guess.... beside that it's good.... It looks like a characature...

 

Have you had a look at the Caricature Zone?

http://www.magixl.com/

 

Or better look at this a little bit of the French history of caricature:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/caricaturenet/histoire.htm

with the Master of Caricature - M:C - Daumier:

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/daumier/

 

 

I do not think you can make a realistic portrait nor a caricature of GOD

because it is only a one(1) word standing for the concept that everything is interrelated into and out of Oneness which is not a person!

 

So you can choose whichever word you want to - to meditate on - to use as a gate - to pass into a realm of oneness tearing down all the words and concepts you are using daily to master your daily life with. For sure you need all those words and concepts - you need to have an I - but the thing with all those words/concepts/values your I is constructed of is that the words/concepts/values always are limited - cannot cover the real reality=the oneness - which is to big to grasp or better always are fluctuating stillness you cannot get hold on - cannot grasp, because you are the thing yourself... Well pretty hard to explain... You have to sit down yourself to test...

The Oneness is not of much use in your daily life so why bover?

 

Well - finding a common ground makes it possible to communicate, makes it easier to model and animate having experienced something of that common ground. Perhaps being able to make something yourself - not just following others modeling style, animating style.

This link - http://www.thedyinggod.com/ - I found good - explaining a lot of mans and womans trying to use concepts for everything.

 

Perhaps out of reading a little bit history we can understand something - learning the history of our and others beliefs. Perhaps learning to make up GOOD stories to animate with GOOD models.

[ZPiDER]

Perhaps learning to make up GOOD stories to animate with GOOD models.

uh - huh ..

 

the best way to critique a model is to see a shaded+wireframe view.

 

and about your capital-letter-good-stuff:

why dont you make an animation?

but leave your content IN your animation and OFF this board.

we're happy to discuss technical stuff.

[Mr MM]

ALL comments are welcome!

[Mr MM]

All Comments Welcome - ACW...

O.mov

[Far Star Productions]

Santa Claus?

[heyvern]

Mr. MM,

 

Can you give us just a tiny hint of your background? Your story? No specific details. I am just so curious to know more of YOUR big picture.

 

To be honest you come across as a very...uh... strange... but unique individual. Sometimes a bit over the top but still the animations and images aren't... bad... they aren't jump up and down great... but... they either are very very funny... or very very frightening... depending on how you look at it... and if it is late at night and very dark with 40 mph winds howling ominously outside... as it is right now here at my house.... that howling God head scared the bejesus out of me (kind of ironic when you think about it). I have to watch some Disney now to stop the shivers up and down my spine... Chitty Chitty Bang Bang looks good...

 

I have to know! Are you playing with us or are you for real? If you are "for real" you may want to cut down or increase your medication... I can give you some referrals to specialists if you need them... I don't get any finders fees just because they are family either.

 

If you are "playing" us, then... good job dude!

 

Vernon "Truly Scrumptious" Zehr

[ZPiDER]

most of the model looks well built, but:

 

- animating the model you'll likely find, that the area above the lip will work better with another spline added accross

 

- some splinage is too dense (but that personal taste - i just dont have the patience to push so many cps around to make them look good in animation)

 

- the temple seems too far out (in multiple meanings of the sentence!)

 

- over all the face seems too wide for the eye distance

 

i would have waited with an animation though, till the model was finished (unless your message was: "capital-letter-god has a hollow head" .. though the sound fx kinda work with this premise somehow ..)

[Mr MM]

Thanks a lot for your comments, Mr West and Mr Zehr!

Santa Claus?

 

Can you give us just a tiny hint of your background? Your story? No specific details. I am just so curious to know more of YOUR big picture.

.................

If you are "playing" us, then... good job dude!

 

Well, I think it would be nice to sit down with you having some quantities with bear or a nice cup of tea - to sit down to try to give our different opinions to give us some conclusions. Discussing in the cyber space is not so easy - no cosy chairs to sit on! no drinks to zip!

 

Well, this started out then I tried to ask Mr Talbot about his intentions of modeling realistic. And as a standpoint gave him a link to iconoclasm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

And here is one more:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExtremeIconoclasm

Telling:

Iconoclasm n.

 

1. The action or doctrine of destroying sacred images.

2. The attacking or overthrow of established or venerated institutions, practices, or attitudes.

 

Well, I was censored of Mr Poissant. My opinions were teared down!

Now I think Mr Poissant is a nice guy just trying to tell us to keep to some rules.

 

So, I started my own thread - Michael J - trying to do some realism. Thanks to Mr Talbots very good tutorials and model:

http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12587

 

And then I started this thread called - GOD?!., - to go a little deeper into the subject.

 

Really Realism is to me then you are sitting down on your ass for at least twentyone minutes meditating - stripping yourself - your I - of every word/concept/value - just being breathed. Have a try and see for yourself!

 

Well, to most people this is just too much. They go on climbing mountains, diving into the deep seas, making good cooking out of good recipies, modeling and animating, but they never have the time and place to sit down on their own asses trying to stop their I:s from making valuable pictures - but limited. They do not see - sitting down - as meaningsful - for sure it is not meaningsful - but it is about to unlearn - and that is really meaningsful.

 

Picasso pro example tried his whole life to unlearn - to learn to draw as he did as a young boy - not using the concepts/values his time had given him - trying to stay out of time and place to get a ground to stand on - drawing and painting from.

How to model and animate? From which concepts? This is about making chairs but can give you some clues about - Bi Hei Ma Fu Hi So Ka Ha Ki:

 

http://www.nextmaruni.com/colum/8biishiki_e.htm

 

 

So thanks again - Mr West and Mr Zehr! - giving your comments!

 

Here some other comments from the world wide web:

http://www.idea-inc.com/~bill/lies/

http://www.iconoclast.org/na/guide/restaurants.shtml

http://www.aeforge.com/aeforum/showthread.php?t=2206

http://www.theblackflag.org/2004/icon/index.php?id=040301

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/disp...s_feature3.html

PS

And thanks also to Mr Bricman who wrote his reply and posted it during I was writing the replies to Mr West and Mr Zehr not having seen Mr Bricmans comments.

To Mr Bricman I can tell the model is Mr Talbots - You can download it here:

http://home.comcast.net/~jtalbotski/tutes.html

The model of the head is in Tutorial 1

I have used this model and adjusted it both to Michael J and to GOD!

In some way it is functioning although not absolutly perfect!

[Eric2575]

Vern, you are de Bomb

[KenH]

Mr MM, I think what Vern is say is that we're all pretty easy going round here. We like talking about 3D and any talk of heavy profound issues tends to make our fingers swell up so we can't type. In other words...take a chill pill man! (that's not to condone drug taking but is a figure of speech, phew!)

[heyvern]

Thanks Ken, but actually...

 

I was trying to find out some background on Mr. MM himself, not your background on this forum MM. I get the impression that Mr. MM is "having some fun" with us... no one can be THAT obtuse. You have to really go out of your way to miss a point that far.

 

That last group of links was hysterical! I almost thought you might be Kte'pi... but that would be too easy. Those links you posted, though all over the place, seem to have a theme to them... or maybe they are just random? Some were quite humorous... which leads to yet another analysis of your motives.

 

(I hope some of you read Bill Kte'pi's rambling on determinism and "life as game". This is great stuff.... I liked the painting done with the wip best.)

 

Anyway... since Mr. MM started this thread I don't think I will worry as much about possible thread-jacking. Perfect opportunity to delve deeper.

 

----------------------

 

Mr. MM, Was that your voice in the God head animation? I sensed a slightly humorus tinge to it. I sensed a somewhat comical tinge to the first animation you posted on the forums... the little block of wood character.

 

I may be reading too much into it... it is well known I find the oddest things comical... or maybe I am just whistling in the dark... you are really freaky... I have met some odd characters here in cyberspace over the years... you are tops in my book... don't rest on your laurels, still early days yet.

 

Vernon "!" Zehr

[Godfrey]

I get the impression that Mr. MM is "having some fun" with us... no one can be THAT obtuse. You have to really go out of your way to miss a point that far.

Judging from his phrasing, I'm guessing that English isn't Mr. MM's primary language; if so, it wouldn't be too surprising if he takes what he reads at face value and misses the ironic intent.

[jon]

after reading the constant idiosyncratic mishmash of iconoclasm and ludditeism, i believe that mm isn't terribly interested in critiques so much as debate.

 

as has been repeatedly suggested, this ain't the place.

 

-jon

 

[Mr MM]

You wanted to know my background Mr Zehr!

Well, why not my foreground?

Or my middleground?

I really appreciate your thinking and feeling, Mr Zehr, you really try to have a conversation - not telling me I am a Freakiing idiot.

I really think we have to have some conversation among us - the problem is there are six billions of us - connected with electricity as fire(power) and wheel(computing) and we have been living here - on our sattellite called earth - for about seven million years in small groups numbering about a hundred of us in each group - being able to smell, box, hug the one(s) you are listening to, talking to - in realtime and realplace.

Now we have electricity, atomic bombs, genetics and nanotecnics "thanks to" a young guy sitting in a church taking his pulse to figure out some formula for the chandeliers swinging from the ceiling about 400 years ago.

 

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites...-h/galileo.html

What to do? I am a bit worried what is going to happen with us and our sattelittte circling the sun sattellite in a universe natural science do not have the ultimate knowledge of. And my opinion is that natural science only can present formulas connected to "reality" but to know "reality" you have to sit down meditating - stripping your I from every belief/concept/value.

And modeling/animating is always done from some concepts/values of an I

so talking of modeling/animating will always have to be connected to some philosopy/concepts/values/I - so as someones are saying to me - we only want to speak about the technical aspects - to me it is I:s drawing limits that do not really exist - everything is interconnected and mutually related in some way or another.

So just sit down on your ass for twenty minutes and you will find it out for yourself!

Perhaps being a bit rude! But hope we can see that animating/modeling have many aspects - and there is no aspect - not to consider after a glass of cider.

Mr Zehr I tried to figure out who you are - and I found a lot of faces. I believe your I have understood something as a son of a preacher man eg. the more you know the less you understand... So, I hope everyone on those premises can have a little good thoughtful lively conversation about the topic here modeling/animating GOD?!.,

Hope, Mr Zehr you do not mind my I - hopefully I will get a new version of it after your reply - trying to find out your really I?!., Do you recognize your self?

[Sevenar]

This is getting ridiculous.

[Mr. Jaqe]

a tip to you, mr MM, try to post your MODEL, 'cuz I would really like to see more of it, please

[JoshB]

If your mission on this forum is to gain a reputation as being an aloof, mysterious, dodging person--you're well on your way. However, if you continue along this path the way you have been chances are people will begin to ignore your posts all together.

 

This seems more like a topic for the Off Topic section. As it seems to have nothing to do with a grander project that you are working on--thus Work In Progress. The topic is not Animation Master. The only reference to anything AM like is that of another post in which you were deleted. It seems more like you want to have a conversation about EVERYTHING with no focus--if this is your intent--good job. However, if it isn't your intent--slow down--get some sleep (not meditation SLEEP)--get some focus, and stop reading every internet article in the known universe.

 

However, we will most likely never know whether you're "playing" or not. Because, to put it simply--if you are, what's the fun in giving it away (Andy Kauffman table for two)--if you aren't, then this is perfectly normal and you don't understand why some of us are having "issues." And, no matter how many times we explain that it has nothing to do with a fear of the subject--or not meditating long enough--or not thinking about it that way--if we are not thinking the same way you are we are doing one of the afore mentioned coping mechanisms.

 

As for the model itself. What Marcel said.

 

I don't think he looks like Zeus I think he looks like the Sistine Chapel creation of Adam tile. The lip sync is not right on the animation the timing is off giving it a very overdubbed vibe.

 

J

[Mr MM]

I don't think he looks like Zeus I think he looks like the Sistine Chapel creation of Adam tile. The lip sync is not right on the animation the timing is off giving it a very overdubbed vibe.

 

Thanks JoshB for commenting!

 

You are absolutely right. I have used a profile painted by da Vinci - see the attached image - and then mirrored it and manipulated it a bit in Photoshop. To use it as a decal on a model I have borrowed from Mr Talbot. His model and tutorial you can find here:

http://homepage.mac.com/talbotj/FLATTEN-TUTORIAL.zip

You are also quite right on the animation and the lip sync. I tried to get it correct in a short time - but there were some keyframes missing or something lacking so it did not turn out very well. But still it will hopefully express the interesting ideas in these links:

http://www.thedyinggod.com/

http://www.nextmaruni.com/colum/8biishiki_e.htm

 

It seems more like you want to have a conversation about EVERYTHING with no focus--if this is your intent--good job.

 

I rather try to have a conversation about everything with a FOCUS on Work In Progress. I can understand that it is not a typical conversation but everyone is not typical. We are all individuals and common in the same time.

To me "philosophy" has something to do with modeling/animating. I have tried to discuss this in many ways. Some of you here are more or less willing to do that connection. I had a Google search on: unlearning Picasso

One of my themes. And found this among a lot of other links on the subject:

http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/jthompson...0Expression.ppt

And you can have a look on the Power Point Presentation to read this:

When Pablo Picasso was asked why his work improved as he grew older, he observed that it had taken him a lifetime to learn to draw as a child, and that "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once he grows up."

I hope this can interest you and that you can see the relevance in this to my modeling/animating and your own so we can have a little conversation around my ideas and my work in progress.

And once again thanks JoshB for your comments!

PS

I really hope that you will take the time to download - 3Mbyte - and look through the the Power Point Presentation above. Because there are a lot to learn from that presentation due to my opinion on modeling and animating - hopefully you then will understand better what I am trying to express making a good impression on your I.

DS

I made a little experiment - I had a search on A:M Forums on All Forums and Any Date on the word: god

And I had this result:

Sorry, an error occurred. If you are unsure on how to use a feature, or don't know why you got this error message, try looking through the help files for more information.

The error returned was:

Sorry, but we did not find any matches to display. Try again and broaden your search criteria. If you were searching for new posts since your last visit, it's possible that there are none to show.

Then I had a new search - this time on: devil

The result was quite different. This time a lot of links.

The explanation(s)?

A little suggestion - why not contribute yourself to my effort to model and animate GOD?!., Everyone I think have his/her-hes/hir own vision to share. And learning from each other can be a good idea?!.,

[Mr MM]

There are someones values and ideas implementing it out of something?!.,

Perhaps time to sit down and meditate?!.,

to perhaps find new values and ideas?!.,

out of something?!.,

 

Just in case you have missed it:

http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/

[pixelmech]

This thread is one...long...big...TROLL... something I'd rather not see in these forums, where we are normally pretty clear of it.

[Mr MM]

Tried to make a frottage. Well?!.,

What is cumbersome to me are the droids.

Selecting a droid in the PWS - I do not get the whole object selected - just all the CP´s.

For sure I have missed something, but what?

[KenH]

Now you're talking. You're in muscle mode instead of director mode. Select the blue megaphone icon in the top toolbar.

[Mr MM]

Thanks a lot!

Everything is easy when you know it!

Sitting down meditating does not always help....

[Mr MM]

Modeling and Animating GOD?!.,

What is the good with that?

I have understand some people here are asking themselves and me that question.

People in all times - 7 million years - and now numbering 6 billions have been thinking of what structure(s) and what value(s) to search behind the things you can see, hear, feel, smell... so modeling, animating without having some concepts is impossible.

You are always using the structure of your I to model and animate, so why not try to figure out the structure of the I to model and animate better.

I have had a few tries and you are welcome to contribute - with some humorous, serious... so we can have a little conversation. Comments on my efforts are welcome - and I will try to comment on your contributions...

I had a search on A:M forums on: god - no links...

I had another search on A:M forums on: devil - lots of links...

I had a search on A:M forums on: sex - no links...

I had a search on A:M forums on: realism - some links...

I had a search on A:M forums on: abstract - three links...

Well, people in all times have tried to find out this - to model it in their heads and in their surroundings....

I had a search on Google on: lingam yoni - about 18 000 links

Perhaps you never heard about the words?!.,

Have a look on these links:

http://www.namaste.it/kundalini/kundalini_eng/lingam.html

http://www.asianart.com/articles/darkness/index.html#lingam

http://www.asianart.com/articles/darkness/lingam.html

And you can read:

Lingam-Yoni, male sex and female sex reunited. The Linga, fountain of life, is shown in its erect form, and is usually placed in the Yoni, the source of all that exists.

Originally the cylindrical shape represented the formlessness of creation, then gradually became associated with Shiva. The Linga, divine phallus of Lord Shiva, is adored instead of him. Shiva temples have Shiva-Linga as the main deity.

Well I made some modeling - a frottage out of a photo to have a background and with the two things as a foreground. And I hope that the middleground - space - surrounding everyting - surrounded by everything - space stretching out in eternity - is there to see, feel, experience...

Nice comments are welcome! And the not nice ones are welcome, too!

And your own work - thoughts - feelings - modeling - animating - making something yourself are very welcome! Your I:s are welcome making something GOD?!.,

[KenH]

Are you looking for a banning?

[Mr MM]

Are you looking for a banning?

I do not think modeling Lingam/Yoni towards a nice background and hopefully with some space in it is controversial...

We have to respect other people thinkings and feelings. My also!

And I respect you KenH - I just want you to say something more elaborated... why not take a little time... not just five minutes... first looking through my links... reflecting a bit... perhaps I have something valuable to say... my links have something to say... to consider... something to respect... my modeling having some value...

So you as everyone else is welcome with some words on my modeling and the background to it... not just telling me what I am doing is bad... someday perhaps you - your I - will try to do the same... Who knows?!.,

[msfolly]

MM

Give it a REST.

Stop it.

No more preaching.

[KenH]

Perhaps instead of meditating, you should simply look up the definition of "Work In Progress" which is the subject of this forum.

No offence man, but you're heading on a one way trip to a suspension....especially with that "Phallus in a manger" image.

[Steven Cleary]

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Edited November 22, 2016 by Steven Cleary

[Mr MM]

Thank you guys for your comments. I can understand that my thoughts, links and modeling, animating - my I - are disturbing you.

Perhaps there are others interested in a discussion on the premises for modeling and animating. I have understand that this is not your cup of tea or glass of bear. Well you can discuss your thoughs and feelings on other threads. It is just like in a restaurant - there is not the same discussion around every table.

I had hoped for we could have a nice chat. And I could have some good comments on my work. Still I believe there are members interested in these questions and in my modeling. You are trying to stop a free discussion. That is bad! really bad behavior! You are taking your own freedom away not understanding it...

Some day perhaps your I:s want to discuss the same topic - model and animate the same things! Who knows? I do not think you can tell your future thoughts and feeling and modeling and animating. Some day you also get interested in modeling lingam and yoni. You want to discover Kundalini.

http://www.namaste.it/kundalini/kundalini_...dexkundala.html

OK! I will stop publishing more on this thread. Perhaps there are someones on this forum that dare to stand up for a free discusson, modeling, animating... Perhaps not?!., But just now I will stop... showing my models and animations on this subject and the background to it.

I hope you will forgive me. You are forgiven, too...

[Guest RemoteViewer]

*Deleted*

[jon]

rant removed as long as thread stays dead.

 

happy friday!

-jon

[spinghed]

please can this thread be shut down!

 

It's completely pointless, off subject and incredibly irritating

[Mr MM]

Hello MM.

 

I too wish to share allot with humanity and I understand, in a sense, where you are coming from. I feel it is very important for me to integrate my inner experiences with my modeling and animations. I have spoken to several here who feel the same way.

 

But I believe if you are interested in having your voice be heard than you have to bridge with people a little bit. You need to know when you have made your point and pushed their boundaries. A time such as now.

 

Then it is time to sit back and let them think about it for a little while before further discussion.

 

Thanks a lot!

We have to discuss - listen to each other - not only banning - or we will just be sitting there meditating... with our own beliefs...

 

And still I think all of us can sit down and have a nice glass of something... talking... but now I will stop...

[heyvern]

Hee hee....

 

...and yet... no matter how annoying... you guys keep.... reading... and being annoyed...

 

... actually I thought the last image was Mr. MM giving us all the finger rather than a phallus... hard to say which is worse...

 

I suppose the phallus... is less of a threatening gesture... than getting flipped off... it also could be interpreted as a mortar and pestle... but then we are back at the phallus again with that one...

 

Oh... the cave... yeah... definately a phallus... I am a little slow on picking up those subtle references.

 

-------------

 

Imagine a scale with... Die Hard on one end... and ... Altered States on the other...

 

On the one end of the scale we have Mr. Willis blowin' stuff up... very straight forward... on the other end of the scale... we have William Hurt forcing us to examine the meaning of life and the origins of existence...

 

Mr. MM... you are stuck... the needle on your gauge can't find a spot in the middle. Sometimes we just want to see Bruce blow stuff up... not think about the nature of the universe...

 

Of course...

 

...[/b]Altered States[/b] does have a very young Blair Brown neked... you can't beat that with a stick... or a phallus in a manger.

 

Ban? The images or the message? Be carefull... I think some of Brian Prince's stuff has telephone poles in it... and very tall "erect" trees...

 

Vernon "!" Zehr

[JoshB]

Vernon you are the man.

 

For the longest time I did not post to this thread simply from the nature that I thought it was going nowhere and off topic to the purpose of the forum (WIP). Thus, a concrete concept from start to almost finish. Pixelmech's Mach 5. The McLaren. The Dragon. Seraphum. So on and so forth. Then I couldn't stand it anymore simply because I couldn't believe the topic was still going. Not only because of MM but because of people talking about how upset they were that this thread had absolutely nothing to do with anything focused. The concept here is that everything is everything. The largest the same the smallest the same--everything of equal importance. Is it off topic--yep. Can some of the images be considered risque--yep.

 

But, just to rock the boat a little (I'm not in a good mood right now so pardon me if I seem brash) by mentioning a phenomona I have been questioning for a very long time.

 

When art is interpreted who is it that makes it perverse--the artist or the viewer? Was Michaelangelo perverted for making David in the nude? Some people think so--because they can't get passed the sexual nature of a nude figure--however, some people can, simply by looking at the body as a series of forms. Does that make one person right and another wrong? Who knows? Furthermore, who cares? We each bring to the table that which we already have. I'm pretty sure we all think MM is a little strange and out there--thus, his latest image has to be a phallus. But, I thought the same as Vern--flipping us off not flashing us. Now I'm not saying you have to meditate on it. Or whatever. What I'm saying is stop perpetuating that which is complained about most in our society. Parents don't like what their children are seeing--yet they don't change the channel. Just change the channel. Or read but don't respond. If enough people do it then the only way this topic could possibly resurface is by MM himself. However, I don't find it enjoyable to resurface a topic that no one is responding to. Remember the bully at school--ignore him and he will go away.

 

I will say this from an artistic vantage I appreciate the latest image a lot more than the others. The reason I do is because the first image was not an MM original--it was an image by Da Vinci modeled by using someone elses head model tweaked out. The second image again wasn't an MM original it was the droids on what appeared to be a stock image of a beach. However, this last one actually seems to be an original model textured, lit, rendered, and arranged by MM. From an aesthetic standpoint I don't like the image. It is not appealing to me. It shows not elegance. The colors are not complementary to each other. The model does not mesh with the photo. The high dense black surrounding the green carrys too much weight. And, a few other things which I find annoying.

 

But, I'll tack this little quote on here:

 

"So, even though it may appear to you that nearly everyone hates Jeff Koon's work, the critical point is that people take the time and effort to hate it, publicly and at length, and this investment of attention effectively endows Koons's work with more importance than the work of those artists whose work we like, but not enough to get excited about."

 

J

[higginsdj]

Mr MM,

 

Religion and Politics are discussions that ARE to be avoided. There are other forums perhaps more suited to such discussion. It is all well and good you wanting to discuss these issues in relation ot a possible animated work by you using God as the subject but any discussion related to the philosophy or belief is taboo.

 

Why? you may ask - wars have started and been fought over the topics. Individual beliefs in them are varied and generally unwavering such that 'discussion' on the matter generally stirs malcontent. Pushing the forum in that direction serves little use unless of course you gain some perverse pleasure out of the fire you appear to wish to fan!

 

I believe most people here would welcome any animation you wish to present on the subject and even assist in critiquing technique but it is not the forum to discuss *why* you do it/did it your way. Thats the prelude of the film critic

 

Note that this forum did trial a Rants and Raves forum to allow various discussion (most of which was related to discussion of God and Religion) It was soon disbanded as it started to degenerate.

 

Any 'discussion' on the topic of God is POINTLESS (ie I tell you what I believe, you tell me what you believe - we don't agree with each other - so what was the point?)

 

PS - And one last thing - please watch the use of your (not just Mr MM- but everyone) language on this forum. We don't want things to spiral into some foul language slinging match!

 

Cheers

[.:shortdog:.]

I agree with david...this kind of reminds me of the whole R & R forum thing.