Bruce Del Porte Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I'm making a DVD of old shorts and very shorts and am experimenting with opening title ideas. This is a three second experiment as as part of a 15-20 second introduction title scene. This idea is to have "Animation Festival" spelled out doing a dance number. I know the animation is crude, I'm looking ideas on how to make the whole concept work or maybe a better idea. sample mov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachBG Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Hi, Bruce: I like the concept. I presume, though, that you'll have different backgrounds, colors, etc. because it's a little hard to read right now. I don't know why, but I find the letters' turn-around to be very distracting. Almost like I should be trying to read it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Maybe when they turn around the letters could change to become "festival." You would have an extra letter left over so maybe he falls down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 Thanks for the input. I added a little more and played with a lighting idea, still pretty crude. The "Animation" will eventually complete the turn and dance in place. The "Festival" will dance facing the camera the whole time. I just did a short action to get timing. After the "Animation" completes the turn, I'll Have "Bruce's" drop from above. I haven't really thought about coloring the letters. It still needs a lot of work and of course will be about 20 sconds long. second sample Let me know your thoughts Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmech Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Maybe when they turn around the letters could change to become "festival." You would have an extra letter left over so maybe he falls down That is a GREAT idea - I would shoot for that! The whole letter falling down fits in with the light spirit that animation has as well. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 I thought about having the letters morph into festival but I'm not quite sure how I would pull it off without an ugly transition. Any clever suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 As the dog was walking me this morning I thought about the morph and it turned out to be easier than I had first thought. I just had the extra letter disappear here but I think I may have the "N" follow the letters back and get the show biz hook. animation to festival transition Great ideas guys, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyGormezano Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Excellent transition, works really well - also love the colored lights - How are you doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachBG Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 That's great! I could see the transition on second viewing, but it looked absolutely seamless the first time I saw it. I assume they'll be on-screen long enough to read each word in isolation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 11, 2005 Author Share Posted January 11, 2005 Nancy, The colored lights are a gel tga sequence, dropped on a rim light, placed behind the letters. I shot the background flashing lights as a separate layer and used it as the gel. I added some volumetric to the rim with the gel. Zach, Yes, the entire piece will be about 20 seconds. The letters will turn again, back to "animatio" and I think I will have "Festival" line dance in from the right. The "n" will scramble back into it's position. There is enough music I can make it longer if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animus Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Very good animating! The timing with music is perfect! The transition is totally surprising!Is it intentional that each letter is almost lined up with a channel of lght? If yes, i would use it even more.(just an opinion) Boy, it must be fun to make a project like that! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotron2000 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Nancy, The colored lights are a gel tga sequence, dropped on a rim light, placed behind the letters. I shot the background flashing lights as a separate layer and used it as the gel. I added some volumetric to the rim with the gel. What is a gel TGA sequence, anyway? It looks great; I really like the idea and the execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 Thanks guys. The nine letters of "Animation weren't really mage to line up with the nine rows of lights, really just a coincidence. A gel is an image or film clip that a light projects through. This then adds a projected image on the objects the light is shining on. If you use a single image as a gel, you get a static projection of that image. In his case I used the rendered clip of the flashing light (glows, not really lights) background. I rendered it out as a TGA sequence but a QT .mov would work as well. The colors of the gel tint the light. To make it a gel, load the image/clip like any other rotoscope and drag it from the images folder and drop it on a kleig light in the chor. Adding some volumetric to the light (options folder) adds to the effect. You have to render to see the effect. This is the first frame of the animation and the first frame of the gel. If you look at the top edge of the projected lights, in reverse order, you see the colors line up with the bottom row on the gel. Probably way too much information. You can index from the gap. BTW The lights looks funky because of the tga to jpg conversion in order to post. I think it is because jpg can't show color with a non-zero or 255 alpha value. It's just the lights frame from the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve392 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Thats graet ,what a good idea ,nice job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 I'm make slow but steady progress. I still want to add the "n"as the odd man out bit and maybe the finger snap to the "Animation" line. Then lots of tweaking. Help with some crits please. Further Progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 This is all of it, now comes the tweaking. The odd-letter-out bit didn't turn out as effective as I would have liked (maybe even a distraction) but it's placement and time window may never allow it to be what I thought. Sorry about the size (12MB), flashing colors don't compress easily. Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Rough Cut Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think I am nearing the close of this project. I made an ending to go along with the intro and spliced them together for one last post. Once you fade the colors out, they look pretty good on TV. Making a DVD out of AM cartoons is harder than it would seem. Maybe I'll piece together a tutorial. Intro & Ending (10MB) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Jeweler Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Wow! All I can say is it makes me smile! especially the "festival's" bit at the end. Also thanks for describing how to add a a gel to a Klieg. I am going to try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted January 31, 2005 Hash Fellow Share Posted January 31, 2005 Cute piece! The odd-letter-out bit didn't turn out as effective as I would have liked (maybe even a distraction) but it's placement and time window may never allow it to be what I thought. Bruce It's the timing and motion of the hook. The hook should be thicker and it's motions need to be more obvious, otherwise we don't notice it in time. When the n comes back in it should overshoot its spot then loop back to the right place. Or maybe it could even enter from the opposite side. Or maybe the hook could still be chasing it. More work to do that, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 That's funny cause when ever I add a gel and project it on just a blank wall nothing shows up. And I hate to say this but when I concentrate hard on the letters there is an abrupt transition. Sorry I'm probably overstating it. No one would probably notice that. And that's about the only way to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Del Porte Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 The hook should be thicker and it's motions need to be more obvious, otherwise we don't notice it in time. When the n comes back in it should overshoot its spot then loop back to the right place. Or maybe it could even enter from the opposite side. Or maybe the hook could still be chasing it. More work to do that, yes. A couple of constraints made the gag hard to pull off. Spacing is tight because there are so many letters in "Animation" and the dance doesn't have them walking toward the back of the stage for very many frames. It actually turned out to be better on a TV. About the same resolution but the picture is much bigger so the hook is more visible. I may just leave the whole gag out, I've rendered it out both ways. On TV it doesn't add much but it isn't really a negative either. Restaging the dance to give me more time to make it noticeable would definitely be more work. I can add steps but it would delay the "Festival" entrance. I added the gag in rather than planning for it. A lesson learned! I like the overshoot idea if I have room, I'll probably give that a try. Thanks everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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