robcat2075
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First, I love the stuff you do with lighting. I hope you'll be contributing some of your talent to TinMan.
I'd prefer faster pacing. Maybe some first person POVs as he peers thru the jungle to give us some sense of him. Or may be they story is told from the perspective of the bird. There are lots of possible angles.
Edit: But (not "nut")there's lots of good looking stuff there.
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BTW, Steph Greenberg did an animated version of "the Laws" a while back.
http://better-mouse-trap.com/physics/thelaws.htm
Those are just screenshots, there may be an online version somewhere.
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Can you imagine how that would SOUND! That would be absolutely hysterical... all those rubber people rubbing against rubber stuff...
Stuffing the King into his throne comes to mind
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I think the hinged version is more classic, but the jaw is such huge feature in comparison to his face... it may be too much moving metal.
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I was more imagining a smaller door (since it's a small locket that is his "heart") on his upper left chest (where we traditionally imagine that heart to be.)
The asymmetry might make for interesting design too.
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There is a wonderful and very weird Ub Iwekrs cartoon called "Balloon Land" That realizes just such an idea. I attached a still from the cartoon(sorry for the quality)
You can see the cartoon for free at http://www.movieflix.com/
It's going under the alternate title "The Pincushion Man" there.
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Hey what if all of Loonville was made out of balloons? Balloon trees, balloon plants, balloon furniture, balloon props.
More balloon sculptures:
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I like the idea of mapping faces on to the Loons.
We need Loon people that are immediately recognisable as being made of balloons or the audience may not "get it".
Check these sculptures by Sir Lantz - Balloon Sculptures
I really like this mode of construction because it quickly says "balloon".
Note how some features are drawn on, much like Vern's suggestion.
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how do you envisage tin man will bend and twist at the waist?
Very good point. He's "gotta" have hips that move seperate from the torso.
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The Art Nouveau Tnman is a interesting concept, but the limbs look too skeleton-like. Especially the legs. I'd still like to see a more mechanical tinman that can do a "Transformer"-like change into the owl and back. That would be a cool CG moment.
BTW, That picking-out-a-suit idea of Rodney's is a cute one. If this were a feature that would be something to try and fit in.
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I'm not an aboriginal person skilled in the ways of wilderness living, but a dugout canoe would be carved from a log, so shouldn't the grain be running lengthwise instead of across the canoe?
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The only problem is that they DON'T morph together like real life water particles do.
I know I'm being one of those standard forum villains by posting this but here's a render of a JohnL3D project showing blobbies morphing together
http://www.hash.com/forums/index.php?showt...indpost&p=15572
different settings might yield different results.
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Those look good. The compression was rather blurry so I couldn't get a good look at some of it. How were the water splash and broken glass done?
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So I guess I should scrap my silly little realistic people and animate some goofy surrealistic ones?
Don't scrap him, but animating the goofy characters will be a far less frustrating way to start out.
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I suppose you can do anything you want in an "independent" film, but there seem to be commercial aspirations here. The drawings in the book aren't really up to modern CG expectations.
One of the goals is to show off A:M. I think some tasteful complexity would be good.
But has the decision already been made to do this in limited animation? If so, the character designs we've seen are on the wrong track. For limited animation to work we need something like Dearmad is doing for his Ravel epic.
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How about if you added some specular-only lights on a light list (illuminating only the wrap) to catch the wrinkles. That would look sharp.I didn't apply the shrink film.There is a roll of it on the machine, and I put a lot of time creating wrinkles in it, and you can't even see them.
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Good looking models! Those are the biggest tuna cans I've ever seen.
I can see the roll of shrink wrap, but I can't detect it on the cans at all. I'm missing something.
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The people who will make the "decisions" are chosen, but if you have ideas there's no reason you can't propose them.
But honestly, solid animators will be in shorter supply than anything.
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Those Neil drawings dont' look very much like balloons at all. They look more like Tweedle Dee/ Tweedle Dum. In WWI helmets.
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I guess it needs an arm of some sort to do tasks with, unless it's only task is to run over people's toes.
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I hope we're shooting aiming for something more than "stop-motion" for the animation.
Stop motion works for "Wallace and Grommit" because those are VERY stylized and simplified characters (and Aardman is VERY good at it).
The holds and freezes they can do in stop motion don't work in CG. I haven't seen anyone succeed at it. Not for 22 minutes.
And if stop-motion it is... then someone needs to go tell the art directors to change course immediately. Every sketch I've seen looks like a full-animation character.
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BTW, there's a public domain Ub Iwerks cartoon The Pincushion Man that has a whole cast of balloon people.
You can see it free at movieflix.com (free reg required)
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A jointed teddy bear might be easier to rig than a single skinned one.
Paul, can you make him look more "stuffed with straw"? Maybe he's got more apparent seams, or some suggestions of the clothes the Scarecrow was wearing? Kinda like the Incredible Hulk still has David Banner's pants on.
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Yes, this is going to be tough. And there's a real danger that what we all finally agree to is an "averaging" of the different opinions.
At the moment I'm seeing Tinman and Scarecrow as people who find themselves in a situation (emperor and prime minister) rather above their regular station in life. They're making it up as they go along.
We don't know much about Woot. He appears out of nowhere. Right now I'm reading him as a helpful but slightly skeptical observer of Tinman and Scarecrow. They're somewaht sillier than he expected.
But that's just my initial take. The characters are pretty bare in story right now. I can look at about 75% of the script now and envision a way to do it, but not all of it yet.
Maybe it would help to first think about where we're aiming on the authenticity scale when
1 is a straight retelling of a fairy tale
3 would be Snow White
5 Alladin
8 Shrek
9 Tex Avery's Red Hot Riding Hood
10 imagine Bob Hope and Bing Crosby On the Yellow Brick Road
If we do this on the 1 end of the scale I think it would die of quaintness.
Seven and above would indicates some rewrites, and 10 would be unbearable in any event.
Woot
in TWO: General Discussion
Posted
Yes, Purple is the standard color where Woot comes from.
That's a fabulous model Paul! And I much prefer the non-pointy hat.
I also like the "age" he appear to be.
I only might suggest larger eyes, so when they're used in expressions we get more out of them.
edit: well, maybe they're big already, but....