fraizer Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Recent YouTube wanderings led me to some videos about 2001, the making of the Star Gate sequence, and so on, which got me thinking… 2001 is among my all-time favorite movies. It is film qua film, not merely a novel thrown up on the screen. I saw 2001 at the Cinerama Theater in LA in 1968, with my college comrade and long-time friend, the late Robert Blalack, who received the VFX Oscar for Star Wars (1977). To say that we were mind-blown would be the understatement of understatements. These days, movie editing programs and software packages usually have some form of the slit-scan effect in their bags of tricks. But why use them when I might be able to re-create a virtual version of the Douglas Trumbull set-up in A:M? Down the rabbit hole I went with internet research on 2001, Trumbull, and slit-scan techniques. Trumbull set-up (details vary depending on source): Camera with open shutter on 15’ track. Slit-scan structure to support 4’ tall slit (I have not found width of slit documented anywhere) and Artwork moving behind slit; slit is just off-center (Trumbull has said there were 2 slits, one for the left pass, one for the right pass). Artwork greater than 4’ tall and as wide as you want to make it — many feet. Camera moves down track from 15’ away to 2” (or so) toward Slit/Artwork over a period of 1 minute while Artwork is moved approx. 8” horizontally; Trumbull mentions that the camera was panned slightly during this move. The result is one frame of exposed film, either the left half or right half of frame, depending. Rinse and repeat. First proof of concept in A:M: I made a simple model, a panel with a slit in it, to scale, and an artwork panel set just behind the slit. In the Cho, I placed the Camera 15’ away from the Slit-screen/Artwork model. I keyframed the camera to move toward the model while moving the artwork behind the slit. After rendering a series of frames, I composited the frames into a single frame and could see that I was getting something like the desired image stretch/smear of the slit-scan technique. So the approach sort of worked, but the method was tedious. How to “hold the shutter open” for a single frame during the camera move? Then I remembered the MUFOOF (Multiple Frames in Only One Frame) technique posted by Xtaz in 2005. As the Camera cannot be moved toward the Artwork within the MUFOOF action, I realized I would need to move the Slit-screen/Artwork model toward the Camera. I made an action to do that, did test renders, and got strange results. So I made an action that ran the set-up backward, moving the Slit-screen/Artwork model from 2” in front of the Camera to 15’ away, and got good, predictable results. Also, the Artwork cannot be moved within the MUFOOF action and have its new location available for the next frame. A second action is needed to move the Artwork between frames. I did many test renders of the backward MUFOOF Slit-screen/Artwork model move with Artwork moves between MUFOOF frames, while tweaking the Multi-Pass and Motion Blur values, and got some beautiful results. An example, using a 2 slit model: The light trails move, scintillate, but the dynamic acceleration characteristic of the Star Gate sequence was missing. The final ah-ha moment was realizing I could move the Slit-Screen model element across the Artwork as the model travels away from the Camera. That worked. Here is a wireframe of the set-up: Once I had a working slit-scan system, I wanted to see what actual 2001 artwork would produce. That artwork is long gone. But a couple of clever people have managed to deconstruct/reconstruct it through some coding wizardry. My 2001 Artwork was extracted from YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meEhkceeA94 and website https://www.seriss.com/people/erco/2001/ which reconstructed the original graphics by taking strips from each frame and placing them side by side. An example still from a render using the reconstructed artwork, left side of frame only: As my set-up has the slit on the left side of the model and the artwork moves from left to right and the Slit-screen/Artwork model moves away from the Camera, the rendered sequence moves away from the viewer unlike the actual Star Gate sequence. No matter. Modern movie editing software supports flipping sequences horizontally, vertically, and end-for-end. Here is the link to a short version of the Star Gate sequence as done in A:M, rendered at 720p and up-res’ed to 1080p, including a Ligeti-esque soundtrack: https://youtu.be/P4kflu1okxE Two issues with Multi-Pass that do not exist with real film emulsion: Brightness of image diminishes from outside edges inward as passes progress; I used high intensity values (2000 - 4000%) for the Keylight to compensate which causes a somewhat blown-out result; kind of OK because the overall effect in 2001 is blown-out. Banding from over-lapping passes; no complete remedy that I know of. Think of it as a feature, not a bug. High contrast artwork mitigates the issue somewhat. Here are the files: slit-scan-backward-indy-2001-artwork-60sec-01.chosingle-slit-screen-2001artwork-system01.mdldouble-slit-screen-backward-system-60sec.actdouble-slit-screen-backward-2001-artwork.act I am working on another slit-scan experiment using Mandelbrot Set artwork created by another college comrade who was also along for the 2001 ride back in 1968. I will post that item in the near future. Best to all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 15 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 15 That looks very cool, Joseph! I was 8 when "2001" came out. When my parents announced we were going to see a science-fiction movie I thought they were insane. We're going to watch a guy in a rubber monster suit? And what is "2001"? Is that like "007"? But the movie was absolutely astonishing. I was building cardboard-box spaceships with robot arms in the basement for years after that. Suggestions: -Could you save a render "preset" from the render settings and post that so we can use the same? -Banding... you may be able to reduce the multipass banding by using a slit with soft edges. That could be done with a transparency map for the slit instead of a modeled slit. -Exposure... If you render to OpenEXR and have an OpenEXR-aware post app that will give you enormous room to tinker with levels without having to get it exactly right in the render. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchur Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Very, very nice :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Fuchur. Banding -- a soft slit, that's an excellent idea. I will play with that. Not sure what a render "preset" is, other than the settings contained in the Cho file I posted. (I don't use Projects in my projects, that's why I posted individual files...). Re: EXR and exposure: A few years ago, I was working on a project with Rob Blalack and we discussed using EXR for something we were trying to do, but that's as far as it went; and that is the limit of my understanding of EXR -- very limited. I have found that a broad range of Keylight intensities works, with varying degrees of success; same is true for Pass and Blur values; to a large degree it is a matter of taste. I am very, very curious to know if there is another way to do the slit-scan technique in A:M without using MUFOOF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 15 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 15 9 hours ago, fraizer said: Not sure what a render "preset" is, other than the settings contained in the Cho file I posted. (I don't use Projects in my projects, that's why I posted individual files...). Users will need to set A:M to "Tools>Options>Rendering>Use Settings from>Camera" which is entirely doable if they have been alerted. For future reference, Render Presets are saved and loaded from the Render to File Settings panel. Preset snapshots every render parameter. They are useful for migrating settings to a new camera, saving favored settings, and most especially, taking settings to NetRender which does not seem to have a "Use Settings From:" option. Quote Re: EXR and exposure: A few years ago, I was working on a project with Rob Blalack and we discussed using EXR for something we were trying to do, but that's as far as it went; and that is the limit of my understanding of EXR -- very limited. EXR stores pixel info in a variety of floating point formats rather than 8-bit integers. It permits values that exceed pure white (AKA 1.0 or 255/255) or that fall below 1/256 to be accurately preserved. This allows extreme adjusting/correction of levels and color in post without the banding artifacts we get from integer formats. It's possible for an EXR environment map to have an image of the Sun that is as bright as the Sun in comparison to other parts of the image. EXR also has numerous options for compression including ostensibly lossless ones. And many other wonders. A:M "Composite Projects" can work with OpenEXR but the workflow is a bit dense. I'll note that A:M can render to 16 bit PNG which will also give you increased processing latitude, although it still doesn't handle values greater than 1.0 Quote I am very, very curious to know if there is another way to do the slit-scan technique in A:M without using MUFOOF... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 Robert, Render Presets -- version and platform vagaries, oh my. I run v15 on my MacBkPro and do a lot of "development" in that environment. The v15 Render to File window does not have any Preset buttons at all. I always have to do the "Tools>Options>Rendering>Use Settings from>Camera" routine when I go to render anything as the default is "Use this Dialog." I do some work and long renders in v17 on a MacMini. The v17 Render to File window looks like this: The button names are not as revealing as your window shows. That's why I have never used them. Here is the preset file saved in v17, I think: 2001-slit-scan-Preset.pre Thanks for the EXR info. That experimentation will have to wait for another day. I want to explore your idea of a transparency map for the slit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 15 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 15 Yup, Render Presets are new-in-v16 feature https://forums.hash.com/topic/50199-v19-v18-v17-new-features-and-enhancements/?do=findComment&comment=424030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 A quick and dirty test of the transparency map/soft-edged slit idea shows promise. Needs refinement, but better and better. Good thinking, Robert. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 16 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 16 Quote I am very, very curious to know if there is another way to do the slit-scan technique in A:M without using MUFOOF... My guess is "no" "Slitscan" is essentially a motion blur effect, capturing any and all the light while a shutter is open. But, as you know, ray tracers like A:M reproduce only the light of an infinitely brief instant of time, and can only approximate the "open shutter" by rendering a series of instants in succession and averaging them together. We call this multipass, other software may call this multi-sampling or super-sampling but it's all the same thing. There is another motion blur technique however. If you turn off Multipass but still select "motion blur", A:M calculates an internal "vector buffer" which stores a direction and velocity for every pixel. After the single-instant-of-time image is completed, every pixel is then given a straight line blur in the direction and magnitude indicated by its vector buffer counterpart. For small amounts of motion blur typical in character animation it looks very similar to the multipass result and takes only a fraction of a second to do. But it can't account for motion that is not strictly linear, that might have a visible arc within one frame, nor can it account for the effect of your slitscan device where different portions of the artwork are revealed over time. It would note that your artwork is moving but only apply blur to the portion that was visible at the instant of render. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Good observation, Robert. I was thinking "no" as well. After doing some experimenting with a narrower soft slit, I decided to go with the original approach demo'ed above. My concern was that in the course of applying the slit artwork decal I had to scale vertically and horizontally to fit the model; scaling horizontally narrowed the slit and reduced the amount of soft-edge -- not easy to make artwork 4' tall by 1" wide, not for me anyway. The real test I think is how the soft edge approach works over the span of the artwork, and how it animates. A sequence is rendering now. The soft edge does add to the render time... Here is a new set of files; a new Slit-screen/Artwork model using a TGA as a transparency map, renamed Action files, and new Cho and render Preset files; 2001 artwork is the same as above: soft-slit-screen-2001artwork-system01.mdlsoft-slit-artwork01.tgasoft-slit-screen-backward-2001-artwork.actsoft-slit-screen-backward-system-60sec.actsoft-slit-scan-backward-indy-2001-artwork-60sec-01.cho2001-Soft-Slit-Preset.pre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 16 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 16 Are you using Netrender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Not using Netrender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 17 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 17 How many cores does your CPU have? You could be using them with NetRender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 I have thought about using Netrender, just never pulled the trigger. At this point, while I still use A:M a lot, I am trying to figure out how to go forward in the animation artform. Don't really want to start the learning curve on some other program. I have not looked recently, but I assume Hash is not moving forward on supporting A:M on Apple Silicon machines. I run legacy Mac gear and OS in order to use A:M (and have not bought an Apple Silicon machine) which means everything else loses functionality over time, e.g., web browsing. And don't really want to buy a PC just to run A:M... Meanwhile, here is a six second -- actually 12 seconds as it is running at 12FPS -- movie using the soft-edged slit. Looks good to me. 2001-soft-slit-Artwork01.mov Being just a bit obsessive-compulsive -- don't you have to be to do this kind of thing? -- I am re-rendering the previous material. Also, should be editing the Mandelbrot-based renders, which pose some new questions, real soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 17 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 17 Of course, this is on a PC but it should be similar... Video: https://forums.hash.com/topic/51707-netrender-quick-start-video/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtaz Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 My son MUFOOF almost 20 years later 🥰 Its use is limitless. Beautiful use of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 Thank you, Xtaz. MUFOOF is a brilliant technique. Robert, excellent demo of NetRender. You have given me something more to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted June 19 Hash Fellow Share Posted June 19 22 hours ago, Xtaz said: My son MUFOOF almost 20 years later 🥰 Its use is limitless. Beautiful use of it. Got any other kids on the shelf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 Before we venture off to FractalLand, here is a complete re-render and re-edit of the 2001 slit scan movie using the transparency map approach suggested by Robert. The distinct banding is mostly or completely eliminated. Where banding does appear, it looks like it is part of the effect, not a hard-edged standing wave. https://youtu.be/dujQGB-2EXw 2001-soft-edge-slit-scan-composite.mov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraizer Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 Additional slit-scan material is in post "Mandelbrot Circle Slit-Scans and More": Included there is the description of a generalized method for simulating slit-scans, both symmetrical and asymmetrical. And files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPhibes Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Nice work! I was searching for something completely unrelated and came across this post. Excellent results. I was thinking "I wonder if I can emulate the slit scan process in 3d" as I wandered out of the theater from seeing 2001 in 70mm on Monday. Now I know the answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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