Vegeta

[Mr. Jaqe]

this is my second WIP post, I trashed my old work as without a rotoscope, it's pretty darn hopeless for a newbie like myself to create a human. This time I decided to recreate my favourite Dragonball Z charracter: Vegeta. So the hunt for a rotoscope began! and the journey was long, but Google saved me arse once again (this is turning into a story, but what the heck!). I compared a few side(side views of drawn charracters are really rare, btw) and front pics and I used the ones...I used. and here it is, the start of Vegeta(I know the point is to post atleast almost completet models, but I really need some tips) so here goes:

[Mr. Jaqe]

Side view:

 

(anyone want .prj file, just ASK away! *wink*)

Edited January 18, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[jamagica]

Looks pretty good so far...not rough..no crease..good amount of splines

[Mr. Jaqe]

thnx, but the hard part's still comming, making his forehead It's gonna be one h*** of a job to get those eye...whatever they are called, set up properly. And then there's the eyes etc etc. (listen to my compains )

 

Anyway, all critics are welcome, both good and bad

[starwarsguy]

I think it looks great! Check out Kricket's tutorials. There was something in there about anime eyes.

[Mr. Jaqe]

thxn dude, it's kinda wierd tho... I spent 40 min on this one and the 1st model I made I spent 10 hours on and some guy thought he had a desise but back to this one, thnx for the tip, Im gonna check out his tutorial.

 

hmm... for some reason I can't seem to find his tutorial in the A:M Resource Matrix, is it posted anywhere else?

Edited January 18, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[starwarsguy]

Go to the Anime Section down at the bottom, then go to the Tutorials topic at the top. There are also some great anime tutorials (2D) posted in there.

[Mr. Jaqe]

I tried to make the eye(I got the word)lid, and if I must say so myself, Im pretty darn pleased! have a look:

[Mr. Jaqe]

and side:

[jamagica]

It looks sweet! To do the forehead, just get an even line at the start above the brows, then extrude, rotate, extrude, rotate, then make an ear, position, make side of head and stitch into ear

 

reference: Cooper Head tuturial (though I've never done anything with it..just read it a heck of a lot of times)

[Mr. Jaqe]

thnx! it's kinda nice to have an experienced person like yourself saying stuff like that Im just beeing silly, but still... anyway, just did the mouth, wasn't as hard as I expected. Im more worried about the ear :S as you may see on the retoscope it's a very... special eartype that's used on DBZ charracters and I would preffer to be able to copy it(if possible). and here's another screen:

[Mr. Jaqe]

aaaaaaaaaaaand the from side view:

(man, If I keep this up, I'll have a high forum rank in NO-time )

 

well, it's 3 AM and I've been working on my model for about 4-5 hours now, so it's about time to get to bed. got school tomorrow (hurray )

[jamagica]

Looks great..you're time on modeling is very fast...that ear will be fun to do lol

[starwarsguy]

Looks like it's gonna turn out great!

[Zaryin]

Looking good so far, but you have way more splinage than you need. This will happen for most people when they first start making faces. All I can say is try to keep your spline count down. It'll help with animation with less splines. Still looks good though.

[Mr. Jaqe]

I know I have many splines but for some reason I can't seem to get rid of any of 'em... they all seem necisary. One is attatched to there that is attatched to there etc etc. but I'll keep that in mind, thank you. (and thnx for liking my model )

[Mr. Jaqe]

ok, now I kinda need some help. I tried following the Cooper tutorial on how to make the scalp, but for some reason all I get is a rather... bumpy scalp. I'm posting pics so you guys can see if there's anything wrong with front/side model

 

"Love",

J

 

[Mr. Jaqe]

aaaand side:

[jamagica]

I truthfully don't see anything wrong with the forehead so far..I think it's too early to tell if anything will be bumpy

[Mr. Jaqe]

I found the problem: since I had so many CP's it got bumpy when I extruded to a certain length, so I have to get about a billion extrudes well, it's my own fault anyway

[Mr. Jaqe]

and if anyone, A-N-Y-O-N-E, got ANY idea on how to create a Dragonball ear, PLEASE! I need 'elp with that freakin ear! bah... anyways, gotta make the troat and then the body. and one thing: I want him to have the hair you see he has in the retoscope, but I never understood how you really made hair, so how DO I make hair? just create spines and make them into hair or...?

 

really 'priciate all your posts, 'specially you jamagica

 

(this topic is really overcrowded by my own posts... )

[Vash]

Don't start doing more than you should. It looks to me like his mouth and chin is starting to cross to the left side. Although it NEVER works proplerly you can always use copy flip attatch or copy the right side, flip it, and then stitch it to the right.

[Mr. Jaqe]

bah, copy/flip/atatch always works for me. and btw, the right side is just used as an "old version" of the right side, because I'm going to copy/flip/atatch it when Im done tweakin the right side. have a look:

[Mr. Jaqe]

(btw, still looking for help on the ear. Wish I knew how to/could post two pics in same reply...)

 

and of course, the SIDE:

 

(one more thing: I like your rabbit )

Edited January 19, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[jamagica]

Use Colin F's. method by lathing the profile of an ear, then use magnet mode to touch it up (you'll have to because it'll be perfectly round after lathing). Here's what I'd do:

 

Examine the basic shape of the ear..first of all the top is really long and the lobe is huge...so I suggest after lathing you scale on the Z axis larger and pull the top of the ear out with magnet mode, then shape the lobe..something like that

[Mr. Jaqe]

thnx again jamagica, you keep saving me arse

altho I WOULD preffer making a Dragonball ear, I've tried to make one 7 times now... so I give up on that one. I might be able to make one out of Colin's tho

[jamagica]

You'll still be able to tell who it is by the facial structure..it'll be fine..just make sure the ear is HUGE

[Mr. Jaqe]

well, now I only got one problem: attatching the ear. and of course, the ear looks horrible, but I SUCK at using the magnet tool... anyone have a ear I could use? just a simple one, ANYTHING would be better than mine

 

EDIT: just ignore this one, no use asking others to do the work for me. that's just rude. I blame it all on tiredness.

Edited January 19, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[starwarsguy]

Looking pretty good!

[Mr. Jaqe]

thnx a lot starwarsguy!

 

still got the freakin ear left! I just can't seem to attatch it right IT'S A CURSE I TELL YOU!

 

EDIT: for some reason AM crashes each time Im trying to apply two 5 pointers next to each other(the sad thing is that both 5 pointers are necisary, or atleast I can't see any other option)

 

EDIT2: going to bed, I'll see if I can fix it tomorrow, unless any of you guys got a good sugestion, because now it's crashing EVERY time I try applying a 5 point patch...

[Roughy]

might be a good idea to go clean up the huuge cp ammount before going on? oh well, in anycase. if you cant do something, dont go to bed! it only becomes worse the next day! Keep at it, to hell if you got school the next day or something. (worst thing that can happen is that you fall asleep during class....leaning your head on pencil case..and the thing slips...BANG! that hurt, and the teacher definetly didnt like it..oh well). anyway, keep it at!

[Mr. Jaqe]

something tells me you've experienced that...

 

and yes, I AM removing A LOT of unessisary CP's.

[Mr. Jaqe]

well... ears... can't say I like 'em, but atleast I got 2 of 'em.

 

atleast I removed a lot of CP's

 

EDIT: btw, his left ear is less tweaked that his left ear, so Im still doing that one. not that his right ear doesn't need improvement aswell...

[Mr. Jaqe]

and of course the famous side view:

 

EDIT: now I only got one problem(not counting ears): HAIR, if anyone got a good "hari from scratch" tutorial, I really need it... making Vegetas thick, tall hair won't be all easy piecy I guess.

[jamagica]

Ear pretty much looks fine, except that you should make it pop forward..you'll notice that in front view of Vegeta you can see almost his full ear. For the hair, because of the style, you could just model it by hand using large patches of CP's

[Mr. Jaqe]

yes, I tweaked the ear some more after I posted it and it's not looking TOO bad anyway, how would I do the hair? make a coupple of "large hairs" and put them together or make one big fuzzy pile?

 

EDIT: Im trying to form it after the rotoscope, exept I only got half his hair I consider this... a challenge...

 

EDIT: this is his hair so far(comments are VERY much arpiciated):

 

another EDIT: good thing I got every single Dragonball Z episode on my 'puter (Im the biggest fan ever) so I'll just have to do some hairstudying then

 

final EDIT: what the heck, Im doing it the "anime tutorial" way that I was so generously show before

Edited January 20, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[Mr. Jaqe]

as I said before, I used the "anime tutorial"(toon tutorial by Matthew Krick) techniqe and so far it looks pretty good, just looky looky here:

[Mr. Jaqe]

making progress on his hair. Altho I've been sick the last coupple of days, I've still been trying to do as much as I possibly could with out friend Vegeta. btw, hairmaking is REALLY boring... copy, paste, form, copy, paste, form... bleh. well, it has to be done, so Im doing it. here's a screen with some more hair:

 

Feel free to say if it's too much hair, too little, too tall, too small etc etc.

 

EDIT: ALLRIGHT! over 500 views! just had to mention it

Edited January 21, 2005 by Mr. Jaqe

[Mr. Jaqe]

this way of hairmaking is pretty tough and not so good for my charracter... I doubt the result will be any good. So what I would like, if anyone was to be so nice as to give me it, is an explenation on how to make alpha channels. A link to a tutorial, short explenation, just post what you think might help me

 

My humble thnx,

 

J

[jamagica]

I think it's working out fine..your hair position is just kinda whacko it looks like he just stood in front of a leaf blower...I'd say lower the hair and pull the "strands" more outwards

[Mr. Jaqe]

"ooh, Im mister smarty pants!" nah, jk. sounds fair, since I just decided to redo his hair with wider, shorter hairs. So that makes uuuus... well, pretty much on the same page.

[Newbert_Zero]

and if anyone, A-N-Y-O-N-E, got ANY idea on how to create a Dragonball ear, PLEASE! I need 'elp with that freakin ear! bah... anyways, gotta make the troat and then the body. and one thing: I want him to have the hair you see he has in the retoscope, but I never understood how you really made hair, so how DO I make hair? just create spines and make them into hair or...?

 

really 'priciate all your posts, 'specially you jamagica

 

(this topic is really overcrowded by my own posts... )

lol with dbz hair you shouldent use the hair tool cause dbz hair sticks striat up and never moves anyway.

[Newbert_Zero]

and of course the famous side view:

 

EDIT: now I only got one problem(not counting ears): HAIR, if anyone got a good "hari from scratch" tutorial, I really need it... making Vegetas thick, tall hair won't be all easy piecy I guess.

that looks exactly like freeza lol.

[Mr. Jaqe]

so, you're familiar with DB? koo. Anyway, I started over with his hair and decided to create it A LOT thicker so it takes a bit lesser time. Altho it's still tearing my patience apart and Im barely working on him (gotta find out how to make his torso before I move much further on) which of course is pretty darn stupid of me, considering all the effort I've put in him

[Mr. Jaqe]

well, Im ALMOST done with his hair, just need one more straw or two here and there. any comments? they're all welcome

[Vash]

Yeah, instead of his hair in the back there curving mack it stick strait out and add a few cps in the front there to make it look more curved like Vegeta's real hair. Other than that....

 

 

 

AWESOME

[Mr. Jaqe]

Yeah, instead of his hair in the back there curving mack it stick strait out and add a few cps in the front there to make it look more curved like Vegeta's real hair.

sounds smart, I'll do that

[Mr. Jaqe]

Man, it's been almost a week since I got any work done on my pal. Just did some hair-tweaking, he's still not done, but atleast Im PLEASED with the result. Now I have to start on the body...*sigh* now how to do THAT?! any good sugestions? if not, Im going to make him a very "basic" human body, but what I mostly need is tims on how to make him look "buff"

[pixelmech]

Nice job on the head. The ears look like concentric circles. I'm not familiar with the actual character so maybe this matches him - but it doesn't have the look of an ear. Study your own in a mirror They are definitely not symmetric.

 

Hair looks like you put a lot of work into it, good job.

[Mr. Jaqe]

the only prob is that I 100 % SUCK at making ears... I don't get squatt of the "how to make a simple ear" tutorials still need some tips on how to make muscles, though