issue after latest windows 10 update

[johnl3d]

after the wonderfully long windows 10 update I got attached error

 

 

This for both v18 and v19

 

The realtime driver I have been using was GL3 but now windows want GL

 

It works with that but now I am getting some issue with cloth simulation not work properly was wondering if they could be related

 

 

[robcat2075]

I don't seem to have a Windows update regarding OpenGL waiting for me.

 

Do you know what the update number was, by any chance?

[johnl3d]

I can check later but this was a very major update since it took over an hour with multiple restarts and left my desk top a mess with everything extra large...

[Fuchur]

Windows 10 installs own graphiccard drivers. Go to Nvidia, AMD or Intel (whatever you have there) and have a look for updated once for Windows 10.

Very likely it will be solved by that...

 

W10 needs different drivers than W7 and so it cant use those from before and installs its own once instead.

(would have been nice if they at least told you about it...)

 

See you

*Fuchur*

[johnl3d]

 

 

 

 

These are the updates and I went to amd and downloaded latest driver which it loaded but still cannot change setting under tool options in AM

 

side note have notice some programs slow ...tried windows 10 solitaire and it was very slow

 

 

[pixelplucker]

Are you using Intel onboard video? I had a similar issue with an update on my Dell laptop.

[johnl3d]

I have an ATi radeon HD 4600 video card

[tysono_71]

Just as an FYI, I didn't have an issue with my nVidia GTX 970 after the Windows 10 anniversary update.

[Fuchur]

The problem is, that that is an old video card. Last Update available around 2013 and which was very likely released around 2007 to 2009.

 

You can see the info on that video card from AMD here... they say the last supported OS for that card is 8.1, after that all you get is the Windows default driver:

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Driver-Support-for-AMD-Radeon%e2%84%a2-HD-4000%2c-HD-3000%2c-HD-2000-and-older-Series.aspx

 

It just might be, that you need a newer card. There are low cost once available which should be just fine for A:M.

First, we need to see what connections does your mainboard support... is it AGP or is it PCI-E? Both versions are available for that card, if I am not wrong.

If it is PCI-Express (PCI-E) it should not be a big problem. Most cards today use that standard. It very likely is one of these anyway, since AGP was already declining at that time.

 

If it is AGP, it is harder to find a new GPU, since that is an old standard. But I think there are still some around and I can see if I can find something.

 

Best wishes

*Fuchur*

[pixelplucker]

Try reistalling the driver for it. If it worked before it should work again. Guessing that Win 10 update might have hosed the driver on you.

My Radeon R9 series recently crapped out on my 14 days after warranty ran out. XFX who made it won't honor the warranty so if you in the market for a new card I would avoid the new AMD video cards, quality isn't there anymore. Best bet is PNY because the give you no grief with their products. Hopefully a driver reinstall does the trick for you.

[johnl3d]

I found a driver and installed it but still acting up a little will be looking around to decide what to do next Thanks for all the suggestions etc

[Fuchur]

Try reistalling the driver for it. If it worked before it should work again. Guessing that Win 10 update might have hosed the driver on you.

My Radeon R9 series recently crapped out on my 14 days after warranty ran out. XFX who made it won't honor the warranty so if you in the market for a new card I would avoid the new AMD video cards, quality isn't there anymore. Best bet is PNY because the give you no grief with their products. Hopefully a driver reinstall does the trick for you.

 

Steffen is using a AMD card (I think a R9 290x or something like that... that is a quite expensive card... you can use A:M with much cheaper once just fine...)

That is why it is still a good bet to get something like that for A:M. And if one GPU went bad, that really is nothing that can't happen with any other card, especially if you are after warranty periode.

But in the end it should not make a bigger difference if you us Nvidia or AMD... only Intel should be avoided if possible...

 

AMD has recently gained market share against Nvidia and I still like their GPUs. (but I am still using a HD 7870 if I am not wrong...)

 

See you

*Fuchur*

[pixelplucker]

If it is less than 30 days you can roll back to win 7. I won't use 10 on my desktop machine, not all my programs play nice under 10. I would recommend on older machines to stick wtih 7 and on a new machine go with 10.

 

I can't honestly recommend AMD video cards because in my experience the quality isn't like they used to be. The one I had ran hot, open gl performance was mediocre and it died rather quickly. My AMD cpu on the other hand is fantastic and pretty quick and cheap. I had purchased the 8350 4ghz with a Gigabyte motherboard for less than $250. The CPU is quick but calculations were still actually less than my dual first gen Xeons that were running at 2.66 ghz.

 

If you do buy a video card take a look at the PNY cards. I am currently running a GTX 950, not a super fast card (slightly faster than the R9 270x I had but it is pretty cheap.

 

I have been a little stuck with older cards because my Cintiq requires a DVI connector, I don't know if adapters are available or how good they may be.

 

Personally Win 10 is ok, I still like 7 better and still far more stable with older applications. I use both daily.

[johnl3d]

Thanks will be looking for a new card got mine back to operating okay but want one that has mfg's driver and will work with my DVI connector

 

 

[Fuchur]

If it is less than 30 days you can roll back to win 7. I won't use 10 on my desktop machine, not all my programs play nice under 10. I would recommend on older machines to stick wtih 7 and on a new machine go with 10.

 

I can't honestly recommend AMD video cards because in my experience the quality isn't like they used to be. The one I had ran hot, open gl performance was mediocre and it died rather quickly. My AMD cpu on the other hand is fantastic and pretty quick and cheap. I had purchased the 8350 4ghz with a Gigabyte motherboard for less than $250. The CPU is quick but calculations were still actually less than my dual first gen Xeons that were running at 2.66 ghz.

 

If you do buy a video card take a look at the PNY cards. I am currently running a GTX 950, not a super fast card (slightly faster than the R9 270x I had but it is pretty cheap.

 

I have been a little stuck with older cards because my Cintiq requires a DVI connector, I don't know if adapters are available or how good they may be.

 

Personally Win 10 is ok, I still like 7 better and still far more stable with older applications. I use both daily.

 

My dad has a laptop (from Acer with a Nvidia Geforce GT 750M) I am currently struggeling with because the NVIDIA driver seems to not be compatible to the newest Windows 10 update in combination with that hardware and which exits on him before windows can be used in any way with a bluescreen... so I had to format the harddrive and reinstall everything, but since W10 does install new drivers automatically it went bad again...

 

There really is no "better" in terms of more reliable if you ask me... both hardware manufactures can produce great hard- and software and they are equally good in producing bad things too .

 

See you

*Fuchur*

[pixelplucker]

Why If you have an older system with older hardware then don't go to 10, stay with win 7.

[Fuchur]

That is the secure way as long as W7 is still getting security updates.

 

But it is too simple to say it like that... the problem is... the Acer is maybe around 1.5 years old but on the other hand I have a HP Elite 745-laptop (AMD APU, no own GPU) which is slightly older but runs perfectly and all of my desktop computers (including the once in the office where we have computers which are everything between 8 years and 2 month old) run flawlessly too with W10... most are APUs or they have AMD card in them (just because I am more of an AMD guy then an NVIDIA guy... not to say that NVIDIA is worse or something... I just know more about the AMD cards and had no bad experiences with them)

 

What I would say is the following: Be careful if you want to update to any new OS and have a look at driver compatibility before you do. The newer OS have cool features but try to make sure at least for critical components like GPUs that they still support the new OS.

 

This is not only for Win10-updaters but also true for any other OS. The "problem" behind it is (only talking about desktop pcs here... laptops or tablets are a different story):

We are using computers very long nowadays... a few years back people (including myself) bought a new computer every 3 years.

There is no real need for that anymore... we can get faster computers after a few years, but the once we have can still do most or all of the things we want them to do in a reasonable time.
My own PC is about 6 years old. Such "old tech" would have been ancient 10 years ago. (meaning if you would have had a computer from 2000 in the year 2006).

[pixelplucker]

Good answers.

 

I'm not partial to Nvidia, AMD or Apple but rather to the machines that do the job and products/companies that are dependable. With that being said, I used to have Open GL issues with AMD going back to the early 2000's and have gone through many Nvidia cards which all have eventually burned out. The 2 best machines I had in the past was a Soyo motherboard AMD based workstation with a Elsa Gloria card then I put a Quadro on it. My other great machine was a dual chip Intel Xeon on an Intel motherboard and that machine had gone through 3 Nvidia cards including a quadro. I finally retired it after 8 years. Previous to those I had a Daystar mac clone and an 8100. The 8100 was the workhorse.

 

Recently I have gone back to AMD with a Gigabyte board which is a fantastic machine and I had already wore out 1 older Nvidia card and a brand new 950 gtx which I am now running from the RMA of that which replaced the AMD r9 270X that died too quickly.

If you use openGL then Nvidia is a better choice and PNY is a reputable company to deal with. Plan on the card dying and plan on a company that will honor their warranty with no grief.

 

As far as Johns issue I wonder if a clean driver install would do the trick? Completely remove all AMD drivers and associated software (ie gaming crap they all tuck in now). Then reinstall the new drivers after a clean reboot. This is assuming that that card worked previously.

 

The OpenGL 3 error I see on my laptop with AM if I try to run it through remote desktop but that has the Intel HD 520 graphics chip that doesn't support one of the calls in OGL3 . The HD 520 is supposed to support OGL 4.5 but there must be something missing in the libraries.

 

Maybe this is an AM bug?

[Fuchur]

I doubt that it is an A:M bug... that would occur on all of our machines... Intel's Graphic unites are just not good at that stuff, if you ask me... most software I know of has had problems with these thingys and they are slower than NVIDIA oder AMD hardware anyway...

 

See you
*Fuchur*

[johnl3d]

Got new video card today and installed it all issues resolved with card that has driver for windows 10 64 bit ..Nvidia Geforce 210 ~$35.00

[Fuchur]

Great to hear that John .

Glad it worked out for you .

See you

*Fuchur*

[pixelplucker]

Glad to hear the new video card fixed it. Makes me think the driver on some video cards under Win 10 are missing something that AM is looking for. I have other programs that use same or higher versions of Open GL and work fine. Possible it is something with a vis c lib?