Sorry for the delay guys, thee experts are at it again. The best way I can describe it is to use a few excellent examples, If you can picture the text around the inside of this oval frame , may even be more attractive than a circle. Flip the oval 90 degrees to the right, then picture if you can "Tremendous Tulips" on the top interior of the oval "Flowers For All Occasions " on the Bottom interior of the oval. It is for my brothers trademark. There are certain size limitations, I am not concerned about the spinning. If I can just get the text inside a fabricated oval, maybe even add a tulip in the the middle(absolutely not necessary). I can shrink the the image to satisfy the Trademark Dept. I just like the 3rd dimension to give it a little depth. Eventually he would like to print the same image on his business cards. Again,Yoda64, Fuchur, Robcat, Rodney, Nancy, Will Sutton, Jason, Martin Hash and Family the list is endless. I hope with all my heart the you all stay healthy and well. If it all fell to pieces tomorrow, I will never forget your kindness and willing to give unselfishly of your time. It is incredibly generous, my hat is off to you all, Steve (mulls on the forum)