jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 please see the attached project below and see if you can narrow down what is causing the render lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 Have the magnitude change from positive to negative at each location. explain what you mean by that one. If the first one changes from positive to negative then it's already negative at the second one and can't change from positive to negative again unless there was some other key that made it positive again. Post your PRJ for what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 I tried to do your listed steps as I interpreted them but I don't get lines. Post your version of the PRJ that does it and then we'll know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 see attached project. ignore my specs above. what i have found out so far. Not caused by baking Not caused by net render Not caused by Forces Usually starts around frame 18 or later. can be seen in the render lock mode. Will someone check if earlier versions of AM dont have this problem. I am on 16a Sparks4_explosion_fina5.prj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 I am having so much trouble and its not just the lines that are the problems. It appears that after you re open a project all the keys you made no longer work in the chore. I dont get it. For example in the projject I have posted it actually days down after like 14 frames. but when you re open the project it just keeps going for ever ignoring the keys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 There's stuff missing. It wants me to find a file with no name... I'm also missing "Shortcut to Material1_0.par" that's a baking file. Can you put up a PRJ that doesn't need either of those, then I'll know I'm testing the same thing you are. Going ahead I found i could make a keyframe to reduce the emission rate to 0 and it woudl survive a save and reload, but it was in a new "shortcut to", the original one is being ignored. I have seen this before. We should ascertain the circumstances that cause the original material channels to be ignored. Is it because it was baked at some point?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 the "Shortcut to Material1 " that has the grey gear icon is the one that is being ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 That whole asking for an asset with no name has been happening to me constantly? There is no reason for it. I don't understand. It does not matter what project I am working on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 very strange. tuff to work this way. I have restarted at least 5 projects. every time I get a result I like, when I render I loose settings or get the lines. I've started from scratch making everything from the materials again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 looking at teh PRJ in a text editor I see that the channels that are being ignored start ike this... MatchName=Shortcut to Material1 MatchName=Streak Emitter the channel that is being recognized starts like this MatchName=Material1 Name=Shortcut to Material1 MatchName=Streak Emitter I'm not sure what that means but it's a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 That whole asking for an asset with no name has been happening to me constantly? There is no reason for it. I don't understand. It does not matter what project I am working on. If you start a blank project, save it and reload it, you still get that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 That whole asking for an asset with no name has been happening to me constantly? There is no reason for it. I don't understand. It does not matter what project I am working on. If you start a blank project, save it and reload it, you still get that? No but the but on the projects it does ask for. Everything is there in the project its not missing anything even when you cancel what its looking for. Strange right? I assumed this was a known issue. I ddint flag it because it does not seem to cause any problems with my projects because like I said all the assets are int he project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 If I load your original file into a text editor and change MatchName=Shortcut to Material1 MatchName=Streak Emitter to be like this MatchName=Material1 Name=Shortcut to Material1 MatchName=Streak Emitter and load that into A:M, then your original emission rate keys are recognized again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 No but the but on the projects it does ask for. Everything is there in the project its not missing anything even when you cancel what its looking for. Strange right? Something is looking for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 the MaryKate model has lots of references to decals from somewhere but I'm never asked to load those ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 14, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 14, 2011 Try loading this and see if the particle keys work. Sparks4_explosion_fina5x2.prj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 It works but now we are back to the render line issues. Any ideas? do you see those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 15, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 15, 2011 It works but now we are back to the render line issues. Any ideas? do you see those? When do they happen? How much do i have to render? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 15, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 15, 2011 I spotted one at 0:20 and a few later. I dont' see any correlation between the lines and any keyframes. It can't be a Force because there's no force in the chor. Since they are rather infrequent and the particle effect is brief, I'd say paint the lines out of the affected frames and hunt for the cause later. That will get your shot done today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Good idea. I will use wire removal in AE. Can you post an error report. I only ask because I think you will write the problem better than I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 15, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 15, 2011 Can you post an error report. I only ask because I think you will write the problem better than I. I wish we could identify why the lines happen when they happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 You can use the simple progressive render and step frame by frame to find them. I tried delting things like forces to no avail. Deleting keys will solve the problem but the problem often comes back unexpectedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyGormezano Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 You can use the simple progressive render and step frame by frame to find them. I tried delting things like forces to no avail. Deleting keys will solve the problem but the problem often comes back unexpectedly. I deleted/simplified most settings, ie, just about everything in your (Robert's?) project except left only the sphere/spark material. I noticed you had force.y = 99.9 % in the spark material I noticed that when I changed that value, the placement, appearance of errant lines would change (frame 23 in my project). In my frame 23, I could make lines go away if I kept force.y less than 97. Play with the force values to see when they disappear for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted September 15, 2011 Hash Fellow Share Posted September 15, 2011 "Play with The Force values, Luke" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason1025 Posted September 17, 2011 Author Share Posted September 17, 2011 Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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