thetanman Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 I am working on this right now, and I am wanting people to criticize this image. I would like advice on what could make this image look better, for example, things to add to the image, etc. Quote
Hash Fellow robcat2075 Posted July 9, 2007 Hash Fellow Posted July 9, 2007 It looks like the bugs feet are not quite touching the ground. Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 true. and also do more than just a light shining above. heres what you do... 1. make that light you have a spot light, change the shadows to z-buffered, change the shadow darkness to your liking, then set the shadow smoothness to any ware from 50 to 100%, also turn off specularity. also do have it just above make it angled... 2. make a second light behind it(everything), i would prefer a bulb light. in its options turn off every thing but specularity. then change the light intensity to 1000% or higher. 3. next in the lady bugs shell options. change the bugs specularity intensity to 10% and its size to 2000% or over. you can do the same to the eyes too. 4. in the render settings (in the tools tab) goto plug-in shaders and select oren naylar. no need to change the setting here. 5. some focal blur could help as well...when you turn it on you'll find two purple lines on the camera move those to determine the focal distance, this adds a nice blur to the background that add focus to the scene... what i just listed should give you this effect but heres the thing i really think the scene needs...an environment, just sitting on a plane doesn't really cut for a ground. you know what I'm saying? hope that helps... Quote
MattWBradbury Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Those lady bugs are HUGE! Or that's just a really small flower. Might want to rethink the scale. Quote
ruscular Posted July 9, 2007 Posted July 9, 2007 Those lady bugs are HUGE! Or that's just a really small flower. Might want to rethink the scale. They are called micro-flower flowers that only insect can see. I know you heard of micro-fish, and you need a magnifying glasses just to see the fishing hole. I am sure you heard of micropile on the insect they are...............never mind.....you dont want to know what they are. Quote
Lynx-0- Posted July 10, 2007 Posted July 10, 2007 I would add some antennae to the ladybugs, that seems to be the thing missing from the characters to me. Also, some tweaks to show sense of scale would help. Maybe blades of grass, or maybe a more dramatic camera angle. Quote
thetanman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 Ok I have a great idea!! I am going to have big blades of grass, with one ladybug on the top of the blade of grass. A huge red flower with black polka dots will be in front of it. The lady bug will be staring at the camera with a confused look on her face. Btw, any suggestions on how I can do the big blades of grass? Could hair work, or would I have to model each individual grass? Quote
ruscular Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 Ok I have a great idea!! I am going to have big blades of grass, with one ladybug on the top of the blade of grass. A huge red flower with black polka dots will be in front of it. The lady bug will be staring at the camera with a confused look on her face. Btw, any suggestions on how I can do the big blades of grass? Could hair work, or would I have to model each individual grass? A large dark green strip with a sharp ridge in the middle with light green semi transparent hair particle over it. The blade itself could be translucent to let light shine through it. Quote
thetanman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 Ok I have a great idea!! I am going to have big blades of grass, with one ladybug on the top of the blade of grass. A huge red flower with black polka dots will be in front of it. The lady bug will be staring at the camera with a confused look on her face. Btw, any suggestions on how I can do the big blades of grass? Could hair work, or would I have to model each individual grass? A large dark green strip with a sharp ridge in the middle with light green semi transparent hair particle over it. The blade itself could be translucent to let light shine through it. I like that idea, but the lighting would have to be perfect, to get it to look just right. Wouldn't it? Are you also saying that I should put hair on the blade of grass? Wouldn't that look weird? Quote
stinkyu111 Posted July 11, 2007 Posted July 11, 2007 a tip about still images, keep simple... focus on the one on the right and and flower ( zoom in on the two ) if you want to play on the idea on the size difference, lose the second lady bug on the left. just my thoughts Steve Quote
thetanman Posted July 11, 2007 Author Posted July 11, 2007 I am wanting to do good on this, so I can enter it in the image contest. My last one did not turn out so good. It was the pump jack one. Quote
DanCBradbury Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 ZOMG! i love their expressions!! Awesome! Quote
thetanman Posted July 12, 2007 Author Posted July 12, 2007 Does anybody in here know of any good settings to use to get cartoony looking grass? Quote
thetanman Posted July 12, 2007 Author Posted July 12, 2007 Here is what my ladybug is going to look like. Any comments or suggestions? Quote
thetanman Posted July 12, 2007 Author Posted July 12, 2007 well the pic screwed up. i will try another one later Quote
thetanman Posted July 12, 2007 Author Posted July 12, 2007 Here is a better pic of the ladybug I will be using. Quote
ruscular Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 I would move the leg inside the shell, instead of the edge of shell (wings) Quote
ruscular Posted July 12, 2007 Posted July 12, 2007 The legs are inside the shell. not what I meant, but okay The shell are the wings of the lady bug you have the legs attach to the wings, instead of the thorax. Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 13, 2007 Posted July 13, 2007 Also, nice model Mage....is it yours? yeah it is, i made it for the mario project, the arms are a bit long though.... if you want modeled grass all you have to do is make one curved blade of grass copy/paste/ and rotate it a few times then add it to the choreography multiple times.... Quote
thetanman Posted July 13, 2007 Author Posted July 13, 2007 Here is my concept that I am shooting for. I would like to add some radiosity to it. Can anybody give me any good settings to use to look like an outside shot? Quote
thetanman Posted July 13, 2007 Author Posted July 13, 2007 Well, here is a pic of the first rendered image! Do you guys think this would do good in the image contest?? Quote
thetanman Posted July 13, 2007 Author Posted July 13, 2007 I forgot to add that I still need to fix the feet! Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 cover up that horizon line in the back ground. try adding focal blur to the back ground the shell has no specularity(i believe it should) the material on the grass is nice like i said be more creative with the lighting... don't bother with radiosity, i know it can make some nice renders but personally i think the scene is too cartoony for it...you have v13 right? you could use AO, that can always spice up render. don't use a sun light use a big kleig, and use smooth shadows, if you get dark areas use low intensity bulb lights to lighten them. also heres a similar image you might like... Quote
thetanman Posted July 15, 2007 Author Posted July 15, 2007 How do you add focal blur to the background? Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 goto tools at the top then options, after that goto render settings. then turn on Depth of Field, after that hit ok. in the chor you should see purple squares on the camera(not the ones in the camera view), one is for frontal blue the other is background blur. cluck the squares to determine when the blur starts also make sure that the main square(the middle one) is centered on you focus object...then have both purple squares just hitting the ladybug...after that do a render, the further the object the more blur. after you do this you can focus on the bugs detail and not the backgrounds... as you see the image in my last post have focal blur hitting the ladybug a little, you don't have to do that but just do what ever you think works.... Quote
thetanman Posted July 15, 2007 Author Posted July 15, 2007 Black_mage, i am note quite understanding your description on focal blur. can you do a little example, or are there any tutorials anywhere? Quote
thetanman Posted July 15, 2007 Author Posted July 15, 2007 Here is an update with focal blur. Any crits and suggestions are welcome! Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 can i see a chor image of what you did with the lights? and also to fix that horizon(the sky hitting the ground back there) thing...add more grass or add trees...you gotta do some thing to cover it up.... Quote
thetanman Posted July 16, 2007 Author Posted July 16, 2007 Here is another image of the ladybug, but with more grass. Is it looking any better? I think the lighting is the only issue left. Doesn't it look too bright? Mage, thank you so much for helping me with this, and I will post of what I have done with the lights in the choreography. Quote
thetanman Posted July 16, 2007 Author Posted July 16, 2007 Mage, here are two views of where the lights are positioned. As you can also see, I changed the color of the ladybug's eyes. I like them being yellow better. Quote
thetanman Posted July 19, 2007 Author Posted July 19, 2007 Will somebody please tell me if this is good enough to enter in the image contest? Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 ok like i said the above light isn't really working for me.... but the scene does look nice! but the specularity is too low making it seem like an evening or early morning scene in which the tone would be diffrent. but most of the time for out door scenes a glowing outline is used... kinda adds a beauty effect... heres a project file if it helps.... Outline.zip Quote
thetanman Posted July 19, 2007 Author Posted July 19, 2007 i tried that black mage and it didn't work. Quote
thetanman Posted July 20, 2007 Author Posted July 20, 2007 the prj file worked just fine. i used all of the settings that you used, but it just didn't work out right. Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 what about the light positions? if the position isn't right the effect is wrong in the render.... did you have the oren-nayar plugin shader on? Quote
the_black_mage Posted July 24, 2007 Posted July 24, 2007 yeah, it makes a smoother effect, you might like it in the render... i always have it on... Quote
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