Help with a nose

[Hisako 100112]

i can make eyes, and now a decent mouth; but my weakness (besides connecting a face) is making a good nose.

 

i can make one without nostrils, but since i'm aiming for semi-real, i do want the characters to have nostrils.

 

i've tried drawing the nose from a profile view, i've tried drawing the bottom of the nose and extruding it upwards (it works but the bottom turns out flat and the nostrils don't show) and i've tried drawing it flat and then bringing it outwards. That one worked the best, but the nostrils end too big (which might be okay for some noses but not all)

 

i need to know do any of you have any other tricks or techniques for making a nose?

[Caroline]

I tend to do it this way (but not so organised and more wonky):

 

http://www.nvcc.edu/home/nvportg/Art%20279...ore_details.htm

 

And it does show it in TaoA:M Exercise 11.5, which is taken from here:

http://www.colins-loft.net/CoopFace.html

[phatso]

Please post your flat-bottom nose.