Saving/Updating Group pivots

[DJBREIT]

I think I know the answer on this one

But I will ask any way and see if you guys have a quick fix.

 

If you copy/paste a part of your model or in the case if you selected a couple of groups and lose the pivots. Is there a way to reset the pivots on a groups without redoing them. So I can use them to update material.

 

Or in the case if you selected a couple of groups and lose the pivots.

[robcat2075]

Can you show a case where selecting more than one group or where copy/paste causes pivots to be lost? I can't make that happen.

[DJBREIT]

I'm running 15 .0f on windows Just in case this is relevant.

 

First I make to lines then put them in two groups (1,2)

 

Then I select both.

 

That changes the pivots

 

That happens ever time I try to move more then one group at a time.

 

When I copy and paste them ether in a model or to another model the pivots changes to 0,0,0

 

This is a copy of group (1)=(3)

 

Also any material (user set) Transfom, translates resets to 0,0,0

[Rodney]

Bear with us here. We are trying to understand.

The way A:M use to handle pivots...

 

Pivots are saved only in Named Groups.

 

Assumptions

Work from Named Groups that have been saved.

Do not save over the top of these previously saved Groups. (Note: This does not appear true in your case. It looks like you are saving over the older named Groups)

 

Thoughts

Instead create a new Group. Name it something different.

Delete the Named Groups that store the incorrect pivots.

 

I noted a little over a year ago that in some cases the Pivots were not being saved.

I'll have to test this to see if that is still the case.

[robcat2075]

Yup, you're right.

 

Write that up as a bug for AMReports. For "steps to duplicate" you could put a link to your post.

 

The misbehavior seems to be a bit different depending on whether you SHift-select the groups or Ctrl-select them.

[genocell]

When I lost my x,y,z pivot value I just highlight either one of the x,y or z in the properties and press Enter. Works every time.

 

If the pivot still reverts back to whatever random number try restarting A:M.

[robcat2075]

When I lost my x,y,z pivot value I just highlight either one of the x,y or z in the properties and press Enter. Works every time.

 

If the pivot still reverts back to whatever random number try restarting A:M.

 

That doesn't work here. The wrong pivot still stays wrong.

[DJBREIT]

Bear with us here. We are trying to understand.

The way A:M use to handle pivots...

 

Pivots are saved only in Named Groups.

 

Assumptions

Work from Named Groups that have been saved.

Do not save over the top of these previously saved Groups. (Note: This does not appear true in your case. It looks like you are saving over the older named Groups)

 

Thoughts

Instead create a new Group. Name it something different.

Delete the Named Groups that store the incorrect pivots.

 

I noted a little over a year ago that in some cases the Pivots were not being saved.

I'll have to test this to see if that is still the case.

 

That is the workaround.

I was hoping to find something that I can do this faster

 

Yup, you're right.

 

Write that up as a bug for AMReports. For "steps to duplicate" you could put a link to your post.

 

The misbehavior seems to be a bit different depending on whether you SHift-select the groups or Ctrl-select them.

 

That was already done. I did find this problem a little while ago and A:M is working on it. But until they fix it and release it. I still need to work on my project. But I have found a faster work around. (See bottom)

 

 

When I lost my x,y,z pivot value I just highlight either one of the x,y or z in the properties and press Enter. Works every time.

 

If the pivot still reverts back to whatever random number try restarting A:M.

 

When you said that It reminded me of something I saw when I was looking in the model file. THANK GOD FOR NOTEPAD!!!

 

 

First there are multiple problems going on.

In the model file there is two sources for the pivots

 

Pivot=2.50334 2.54 0.000264883

(this shows the groups true pivot) but this dose get a little wonky when you groups select.. It will also be missing if you copy and paste.

 

Matrix=1 0 0 2.50334 0 1 0 2.54 0 0 1 0.000264883

( this contains the pivot for the translation point ) If this is present it will override and show its pivot point instead of the groups pivot point. This also gets a little wonky when you groups select. It also is added when coped and pasted so you don’t get the groups pivot point

 

And there is no option to select which to see or to reset back to the groups pivot point.

All this and the wonkyness I will leave up to A:M to fix.

 

Solution

But you can get the groups pivot point back to the groups.

 

(use note pad)

If you get the name of the groups that has the problem and look in the model file.(Name=XXXX) Delete the Matrix under the group name if it is present. And to be on the safe side Delete the Pivot under the group name. If you coped and pasted the group the Pivot will be missing.

 

Then save in notepad and then open in A:M then re-save the Pivot’s should restore.

 

Warning if something is relying on the Matrix, or the translate pivot point don’t do this.